and to you, mary ellen, sherry asking this.oard? >> oh i would have to say that's well beyond my expertise. as a profiler i would not know that. you may want to ask one of the other gentlemen. >> i'm sorry about that. okay. so david, how about to you? what is the answer to that? is there some sort of, you know way in which the crew can contact ground control, you know without having to be in the cockpit? >> in this aircraft there was not. and in many and most aircraft there is. but it's through a maintenance communication thing, where if you have something go wrong in the cockpit, you can put that information in. but you can also contact from the back now. but in this aircraft that wasn't available. >> okay. and then les, this question to you. do you think this accident will affect or change the process of pilot hiring within the airlines? >> it's certainly possible. it's going to be a consideration, i think. they'll reevaluate the application process. it's already been reevaluated by virtue of september 11. and all the backgro

mary ellen, can you try to take us inside this co-pilot's head?could motivate a person not only to kill himself or herself but everyone else onboard that plane that they are responsible for? >> there would not be a single motivation. so don't expect to find one single reason why this individual did this. when you see someone who's willing to suicide, but commit homicide at the same time that certainly suggests either a lot of anger, or the need for revenge, or retaliation. and this will sound very disturbing but when someone makes up their mind to do something like this to suicide and commit homicide they can become very very selfish. very myopic in their thinking. and the damage that they do to other people around them like the other passengers on this plane, they view as being collateral damage. they just had to die, because he was so mission oriented to carry out his anger and his revenge. but it's not something that just snaps. this kind of thinking we find in other cases that are similar, this thinking preexisted this event by days months or

mary ellen, can you try to take us inside this co-pilot's head?ryone else onboard that plane that they are responsible for? >> there would not be a single motivation. so don't expect to find one single reason why this individual did this. when you see someone who's willing to suicide, but commit homicide at the same time, that certainly suggests either a lot of anger, or the need for revenge, or retaliation. and this will sound very disturbing, but when someone makes up their mind to do something like this, to suicide and commit homicide, they can become very, very selfish. very myopic in their thinking. and the damage that they do to other people around them, like the other passengers on this plane, they view as being collateral damage. they just had to die, because he was so mission oriented to carry out his anger and his revenge. but it's not something that just snaps. this kind of thinking, we find in other cases that are similar, this thinking preexisted this event by days, months or years. >> yeah. richard, the transcript of the cockpit voic

that is the legal limbo mary ellen and drew shartele found themselves after trystan's death.onths alone they couldn't be alone with their surviving son. >> i couldn't sleep. i was depressed. i'm thankful i made it because there were months i wanted to join hill. >> reporter: they soldiered on packing up the old house and moving to a place of their own. a legal resolution of sorts came in december. the medical examiner ruled the cause of death as undetermined. nothing in the autopsy report suggests signs of abuse such as fractures, broken bones or blunt impact. however, the shartels stay the state of maryland will not expense records to have the case for three years and until then they could be flagged for extra scrutiny, if they want to open a daycare,phor example, or adopt a child. >> instead of grieving you find yourself defending yourself. >> i felt guilty till proven innocent. >> reporter: the shartles opened a fund in trines' memory for diagnosing shaken baby. for ten months they tried to help their 7-year-old adjust. >> you go through incredible sadness and not understa

>> yesterday, yes, mary meeker took the stand, and one thing that they've been saying about ellen paothe course of this is that she wasn't able to own the room, and it's important for someone to own the room to be a good venture capitalist. and mary meeker absolutely owned the room. she was very charismatic and really forthcoming about her experiences. liz: okay. she owned that room, and she was saying that ellen pao couldn't own the room when it came to pitching start-ups to the other partners at kleiner perkins, but she's simply saying it was ellen pao's lack of ability that got herred and not the fact -- that got herred. what did you hear that changed your mind or solidified what you thought? >> i'm trying to stay impartial here because we still have something going on -- liz: okay. >> but a lot of the allegations was that ellen pao wasn't invited to certain things and wasn't included in certain meetings and events, and pao's case is that she was a female. mary meeker shot that down in a lot of ways, though, because she was invited to a lot of these events, was very included and re

mary and beth seidenberg. why did women never measure up and men get promoted. i think, you know, i guess it's a question of like okay, if they're making the case that ellen is incompetentother incompetent men get to rise. good for mary maker at the firm but she's a super talented woman, not just a woman, super talented investor and has a long history and has done well there. so has beth seidenberg another partner at kleiner perkins. but i think the bigger question is, was there a system in place in kleiner where women were judged differently than men. >> one of the takeaways, kleiner didn't handle some of the harassment issues well. that doesn't seem to be in much dispute. >> yeah. >> had some issues with harassment as did ellen pao. i mean what is the takeaway for the venture capital industry in silicon valley after this very embarrassing case for pretty much everybody end vofld? >> remember this is a gender discrimination case and a retaliation case not a harassment. that's hanging over this whole thing is this one particular partner who behaved badly. i think that it's an interesting question. they don't handle it well. there are partnerships and partnerships are no

mary's cathedral. >>> the judge in a $16 million silicon valley sex discrimination case says evidence of ellen pao's financial troubles aren't important. defense attorneys for kleiner perkins caufield & byers want to use her financial situation to prove a motive behind the lawsuit. pao is suing the venture capitalist firm saying she was discriminated against because she is a woman. pao faced questioning on the stand for the fourth day in a row today. that trial is expected to last three more weeks. >>> president obama's expressing full confidence in the recently appointed secret service director. the white house says that mr. obama's confidence in joseph clancy is not shaken despite the investigation into two senior agents. they are accused of driving a car into a white house security barrier after a night of drinking last week. the president's spokesman says that he was disappointed to learn about that incident. buy says nobody has higher standards for the secret service than clancy. >>> pal can hol is legal. and there's already talk of a modern-day prohibition. why some say this powdered cocktail

ellen pao against her former employer, the legendary firm kleiner perkins caufield and byers. she is seeking $16 million in damages. there have been plenty of big name witnesses from pao to kleiner partners. maryaid on the stand kleiner perkins is the best place to be a woman in the business. brad, there is a great it is a story called the story that that makes the shudder. guest: kleiner is one of the brightest lights in the venture capital universe and it has done the best job of bringing women into the firm, of evangelizing for female-led entrepreneurs. here they are sort of ironically being hauled into court by one of their junior partners. it is also -- this is the story we have worked on this week. the trial demonstrates a lot of what the valley is talking about. in the wake of sheryl sandberg's lean in, not about these very visible forms of sexual harassment in the workplace. that is what the ellen pao case is about. whether she was treated differently than the male partners. cory: i want to get to the specifics of the case. i think that is why this resonates. here we are, two white dudes but that is kind of a common scene in silicon valley, where men far outnumber women, where white du