our last speaker is mary kate conor from outreach services. s thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much, commissioners, for considering this, and for moving so quickly on this issue. i understand taking a look at the memphis training was on the agenda, but looking at the most recent tragic shootings that happened at end of december involving people who have serious psychiatric illnesses. i was part of a working group in 1996 that was brought together by the o.c.c., by members of alternative criminal justice alternate sentencing, very much like the kinds of things that you are seeing and talking about now. we started doing this work in 1996 and put together a program called -- at that point it was called many pirc. the psychiatric illness response club. where the person encountered was killed by the police as opposed to aided by the police. the first thing we needed to understand is there has been such a fractionalize zation between health and law enforcement. the need to take a look at the issues as behavioral issues on both sides. we s