all right, mary katharine, what were you going to say? tea party made parks look like an episode of hoard hoarding, blocked the brooklyn bridge, done half the things they would have paid the price this group has not paid. that does not mean this group is not without legitimate grievances. if you look at the polling from doug schoen more than half of them say they would not necessarily vote for obama. i'm not sure this is a super excited base for democrats. >> that's a good point. >> the closer democrats get to this base. >> bill: i think they are poison right now. >> it's dangerous. >> bill: i don't think -- if president obama continues to put them up as a legitimate symbol. he is going to lose even more support. >> bill: mary katharine and waterboarding. >> curious a lot of republicans are mad at the idea that wall street got bailed out. >> bill: i'm mad, too i don't want those people. i'm mad, too. but those people are way too much. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. steve jobs, did very a religious conversion sho

mary katharine ham has the night off and juan williams.man cain reacting to "the washington post" on the thing. i thought mr. cain should have been more circumspect. >> i didn't. i thought you know what? i guess i'm saying this as a black person to you, bill. the idea that anybody would have that kind of language around him for a long period of time and not think, you know what? we should get this thing out of here right now, why is this here? this is a deeply offensive. it's not representative of my character or my belief, why did he just let it lay there and why did it stay there rick perry tomorrow. he let it stay there. i don't know the detail. >> quiet clearly, juan. murky about when it was painted over but it was painted over way way way back and how long the perry family had access to the property before it would have been two hours after they got the lease to that property could have come out with a spray thing and painted over it, waterboarding. i want to, juan. i think it was a mistake until he talked to perry. give me that court