this is exactly what it is, mary katharine. >> i disagree with you. i think it's a public policy issue that's going to be covered mostly like a policy issue. >> cover policy without getting critic that has to ingest the substance, mary katharine. >> that part is there if part of the job is ingesting the substance you don't have to have that part. a person who does ingest it can easily report on it on a public policy issue. >> this is how absurd it is, williams. then "the denver post" sends memo to employees saying even though we have a marijuana critic and we are going to tell you where to get the best bud, you can't use it on the premises of "the denver post." i mean, come on. why do you have it anyway? >> they should light up everywhere. >> you can't even smoke a cigarette in this building? >> who promoting tobacco. >> the newspapers that we -- >> -- we don't run the newspapers. >> that's part of our corporation. i'm just saying you know that all these products and it's legal, let me emphasize that legal. and the cops do not have to go out and -- >>

so my question to you, mary katharine,and i'll give you the last word, juan, that you feel sorry that ethical dilemma. >> have i compassion for juan as a friend. but i feel more sorry for people who are thrown into a program where they expect care and they don't end up getting it because you're having this doctor shortage on both ends. >> big expectations that are not going to be realized. >> and they're not public utilities. they're people. >> people and make individual decisions. that's right. >> they're trying to live and make their own decisions. >> both mary katharine and i sympathize with you because you are trapped in this vortex. i'll give you the last word. >> am i trapped like that guy who wants to be a woman in canada? i would say this. first of all, i appreciate the holiday compassion, because i think everybody in the country deserves some kind of health care. and the key point to you and to mary katharine is the uninsured people, people inadequately ensured at the moment have no health care. so the idea they would get into the health care system and get treatment is a hol

. >> with me now to react is fox news contributor mary katharine ham. op laughing mary katherine and democratic strategist who advised hillary clinton's 2008 campaign. we are going to it announce now already going to be her chief of staff. sorry. i didn't mean to spill the beans. i have got to start with you richard on this comment from richardson. that kind of surprised me. i didn't see that as necessarily coming. is that realistic. >> i am thinking that richardson has been consuming too much eggnog or spiked the o.j. in the green room at meet the press. and as you remember, the clintons thought he was going to be in their camp in 2008. >> richardson. >> richardson. so, i think maybe there is some score settling going on. this makes no sense to me. for a variety of reasons. first, john kerry was the first democrat since 1988 not to win a plurality of the vote. >> 2004 since george bush. so he was the first one. and democrats certainly remember that he we all know how democrats think about george w. bush and kerry lost to him is certainly not -- >> -- ho