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mary katharine?point you do not have to have a perfect solution to each of these crises but to not be surprised about them would be step one and frankly there was plenty of information that you didn't need to be surprised. >> yeah. we are surprised about the v.a. we are surprised that the irs deletes lois lerner's emails. surprise, we are surprised again. i'm getting a little worried about being surprised. mary katharine, why is it the intelligence agency's fault? why? why are we surprised all the time? >> i think there is an issue of competence and management in all of these federal agencies and there is the idea that the federal government is so gigantic that it becomes unwieldy and hard to management that's not an excuse for president obama. but it is a problem with the federal government. >> aren't you guys worried that he is surprised by everything? doesn't it worry you? >> yeah. >> wait, wait. bill, are you blaming obama? >> i'm saying that there is something. >> does he not take responsibility

mary katharine, go. >> here's the thing.want mary katharine to weigh in. >> here's the thick. on all three of the scandals you brought up and i would add the v.a. as well. the fact is that the president often president's passive voice. is he not as you said being president proactive as it comes to these really sticky issues. on iraq specifically, talking today, doing some interviews this morning she asked look, you said al qaeda was disseminated and you said it was a stable situation in iraq well it was. sometimes stable things become unstable. there is was no recognition of his role in that or our role in that. >> there were enough newspaper reports coming out of there but b. all this falling apart. and then you have president obama looking around going what happened there. >> yes. >> proactive in this world you have got to anticipate that bad things are going to happen. let's go to the border, juan. okay. so you have now, we know the border is not secure. we were told it was. i actually bought that like an idiot. i admit i

i think we should be going after taliban. >> i didn't like the guy's presentation, mary katharine. >>gdahl is going to be the one who is at issue when he does come home and i'm glad he is coming home. but he is entitled to a trial under the military justice system. and i think that he should go through that normal process and we will find out more about this as he goes through that process and as people ask these questions. when it comes to the actual deal that was brokered here. this has been on the table for years. sort of the taliban's pie in the sky. this is what we want. my question is if you are going to negotiate with the taliban, and rogue states or whoever it is, why don't you actually negotiate. could we not have brought the number down a little bit here? could we not have gotten better concessions than this? >> i don't want to get into speculation. we don't know what happened there. >> why can't we say bad negotiating? i don't think that's speculation. >> i don't think it was a good deal. i don't think anybody in the country would think this is a good deal. i don't think an

disingenuous in the extreme tonight. >> mary katharine, you go? >> couple things.t of all i do want to say about this unit they were well disciplined enough that after this guy disappeared they launched several rescue missions for him putting himself at great risk and losing brothers in arm. let's keep that at the forefront. >> we don't know that for sure. the army will not confirm there has been any direct -- >> -- this has been reported several times but, yes, you are right to caveat it. >> the army will not confirm it maybe the fix is in quite possible. but we have to -- look. if i'm going to yell at juan for ignoring the facts then i have to connect the record subject itself is not off limits silly to me. there editorial in the "new york times" the rush to demonize bergdahl. ironically they are not much there there on and taking to task his entire unit. like you said, they don't have much -- >> -- there is no doubt they are running interference for president obama. no doubt they are trying to diminish the platoon and testimony of the soldiers within. that's wha

bill: mary katharine do you think she has had a good week these interviews? i'm not sure electorally it will matter in the end. i hope that's not the case. bill: why do you say that? >> i think she'll ride the wave of identity politics and she'll be treated well by the media after she gets through initial questioning. bill: what's the identity politics, being a woman? >> the messaging will be i'm the first woman and you better want to break this glass ceiling with me or else you hate women. anybody who discusses her or criticized her much like in the form of our criticisms of obama will be called sexist instead of racist. >> limbaugh said nobody is going to want to watch a woman age on tv if she's elected president. i think we already started it. >> you already started it. >> when it comes to identity politics the roughest moment she may have had was on npr where they were asking about her lack [inaudible] bill: terry gross of npr is asking the questions and hillary clinton is answering the questions. listen. >> so that's one for you changed your mind. >> i h