joining us from washington, mary katherine hammonds and juan wynn. their claim that this selective law enforcement can't explain dead bodies. when you're dead, you're dead. blacks in america at 13% kill 1,000 more people than whites at 63%. so i think we've shattered all that myth and we have established that there is an intensity for the police in the black precincts, the poverty precincts that doesn't exist in the white precincts. that's why a lot of these confrontations happen. am i wrong? >> no. i think you're exactly right. i'm disappointed that they don't acknowledge -- >> they won't acknowledge it. >> here is the thing. i think there's lots to argue with you about. but i think the fact of family breakdown, the fact of violent crime. they start talking about wall street crime. murder, assault, rape, is disproportionate in the black community. that's not an excuse in terms of race and in terms of then treating people who -- especially poor black communities which is where this is concentrated. it's not fair for police to target people, harass th

. >> sorry, mary katherine.is diminish the power of the cia and undermine the authority of the police. that's the stated goal. the leadership, juan, is al sharpton on the -- and a bunch of -- i can't say that about senator feinstein, but a bunch of other very left-wing senators like in colorado who -- i'm trying to bring perspective. this isn't a popular uprising like vietnam or anything like that. that's not that. it's organized by these people i mention ted mentioned. it's targeted by tsh -- that's where it is. >> i'm listening to you. i have such respect. there are people demonstrating in streets across the country -- >> not many. five cities. five cities, juan. >> no, let me tell you, there are cities all over. maybe major, five. i have to tell you, there are cities all over the country with demonstrations. with regard to the cia and the lake, don't doubt that the american people, we fund the cia greatly. we appreciate their bravery and all that. but it's breaking the law. when you break the law, when you to

historian katherine clinton talks about what she calls, quote, parlor politics in washington, d.c., during the civil war. women such as maryincoln and kate chase, daughter of treasury secretary sam chase, carried out their own social battles through gossip, spending wars and hosting parties. mary lincoln often drew criticism for attempting to keep up appearances through lavish diplomatic dinners despite the ongoing civil war. this hour-long event was part of the lincoln forum symposium in gettysburg, pennsylvania. >> it is my pleasure to introduce our second speaker, dr. katherine clinton. dr. clinton earned her bachelor's degree at harvard and her ph.d. at princeton where she studied under dr. james mcpherson. she taught at the citadel wesleyan, brandeis and at queens university in belfast northern ireland. since august of 2014 she's been the denman endowed professor in american history at the university of texas at san antonio. so from northern ireland to texas, that's quite a journey. in 2016 she'll assume the presidency of the southern historical association, a prestigious post recognizing her standing in the field. sh