i think mary katherine is -- is -- perhaps, i'm not explaining my position clearly enough for mary katherinehe mirror and tell the truth, which is they make more money through hate. they make more money through misinformation. they are not the government. they're a for-profit corporation. and so, they deliver money for their shareholders. that's their job. but they are making more money by spreading more lies. and if you read the report, the surgeon general doesn't suggest any kind of censorship, whatsoever, at all. he is simply saying -- he goes through what we can do, as individuals, as communities, as educators. >> sorry, paul, i think -- i mean, i've had several arguments, you know, or interviews with facebook people over the years. their argument is we are -- we are a platform. >> right. >> for people to have conversations and meeting and -- and communities and stuff. we are not the arbiter of, you know, in some cases, we do -- we have standards that violate. i get there is all sorts of problems with their standards but that is their position. i don't know that their position is, you kn

these two instances are just -- >> mary katherine -- >> hold on. those are just facts.e truth about these things and sit a reason that people have come to distrust him. on the issue of the lab leak theory. >> hold on. let me stop you there i want david to jump in. >> go ahead. >> tough questions and total legitimacy and what rand paul is doing within the context of the conservative ecosystem. but david, why don't you weigh in on that. >> well, i mean, i don't think mary katherine is wrong in the respect that, of course, he deserves tough questions. >> of course. >> there's kind of this narrative, yes, there's no question that liberals have jumped to fauci's defense all the time and whether it's thank you, dr. fauci, signs which i don't think are inappropriate for the top public health official of the united states who has helped guide the country through the virus during two administrations that somebody who is of some renown for decades now would get that positive attention. that never meant that somehow fauci was responsible for making every decision regard number one

katherine: there was a really interesting hail mary rescue of an antibiotic plant in tennessee.sed, -- essentially about to be mothballed, purchased for one dollar by u.k. company who sent a guy named david argyle to the tenssee antibiotics planto say, if this plant isn't viable, what did we buy? he got there and saw incredible esprit de corps among the workers. they had a critical mission, making antibiotics for the u.s. market. argyle got creative, and he is australian. he placed the plant into chapter 11 bankruptcy, then working with tnessee elected officials, he got the plant designated as critical irastructure under a federal agency called cisa. and then, working with a team, he found an erican buyer for it. now the a has an antibiotics plant,at a time when almost 100% of our penicillin is made overseas. we now have a functioning antibiotics plant in the s. what could be done in rgantown? the biden ainistrion could designate the plant as critical infrastructure, which would stop its equipment and intellectual properties from going overseas. they could come in and rescue it