the push ofs been the union and of president mary kay henry who has gone all-in on this. poured millions of dollars into it. it is a controversial move. the people she is targeting and wants to help or not actually union members. so the question is, will it help the union. the people who think she is correct say, you have to think differently about unions. maybe these people will become members of unions even though they are not a union shop. meanwhile, her union mentorship is way down. so it is sort of a question of, can she save the union? david: a preacher i was working mr. subway stop. give me an example of what you could get him to do if you wanted him to hack the election you are in. what could you get him to do? allen: it was kind of like ordering cable tv. get the premium package or the burglar package. you can get e-mail sent. you could get rudimentary packing. if you wanted to pay $20,000 a month, you got all of that bus the encryption and more advanced hacking. you could pick your package. david: we all talking about the united states presidential election. doe

. >> it's kind of been a push from the union and its president mary kay henry who has really gone allon this and poured millions of dollars into it. it's kind of a controversial move because these people she once to help are not actually union members so the question is will it help her union? people who believe she is correct say you have to think differently about unions. maybe these people become members of the union even though they are not working for union shops. meanwhile, union membership is way down. so can she save the union by helping people who are not members? it is a complicated topic. give us a sense of what you could get this guy to do for you. what would you have to pay to get him to do what he can do? >> there were different packages. it was how to order cable tv. for $12,000 a month, you could get e-mails sent, rudimentary hacking. if you wanted to pay $20,000 a month, you got all that plus the encryption and more advanced hacking. you can pick your package. about thell talking u.s. presidential election. does he think this election is being hacked? >> he is sure th