middle of the movie, stevens and lincoln end up in the white house kitchen after a reception where mary lincoln has a confrontation with him. the reception is real. this is in the middle of january, but the scene in the kitchen is all invented. the scene in the kitchen, the script writer has lincoln and stevens engage in a debate about tactics. for me, this is in a nutshell what you see hollywood do so well and also do so wrong. so in the scene in this debate about tactics, there's a profound insight that lincoln offers to stevens, a kind of lesson about the difference between pragmatism and radicalism. and they're debating tablctics d lincoln says to him, a compass, i learned when i was surveying, it will point you true north from where you're standing but it has no advice about the swamps and deserts and the chasms. you know, that's true. okay. but i don't think that's anything that lincoln and stevens would have said to each other. you know, we have this cartoonish view of stevens and the popular culture from movies like the birth of nation and now from lincoln that depict him as this radica

middle of the movie, stevens and lincoln end up in the white house kitchen after a reception where mary lincoln has a confrontation with him. the reception is real. this is in the middle of january, but the scene in the kitchen is all invented. the scene in the kitchen, the script writer has lincoln and stevens engage in a debate about tactics. for me, this is in a nutshell what you see hollywood do so well and also do so wrong. so in the scene in this debate about tactics, there's a profound insight that lincoln offers to stevens, a kind of lesson about the difference between pragmatism and radicalism. and they're debating tablctics d lincoln says to him, a compass, i learned when i was surveying, it will point you true north from where you're standing but it has no advice about the swamps and deserts and the chasms. you know, that's true. okay. but i don't think that's anything that lincoln and stevens would have said to each other. you know, we have this cartoonish view of stevens and the popular culture from movies like the birth of nation and now from lincoln that depict him as this radica

the costumes and met with sally field, who was interested in someone who was more obsessed with mary lincoln than she was. i would have appreciated more complexity on two of the roles of the two african-americans with whom lincoln had the most constant and certain lie significant contact during his years in the white house. i thought the filmmakers did a powerful job in this particular portrait of racial dynamics within the walls of the executive mansion. as i discussed with eric phoner during the interview for civil war times -- and the length of our discussion was cut to fit the magazine. i remember distinctly defending tony kushner who can well defend himself and talking about the difficulty of a screenwriter squeezing everything in which historians don't take into account. i did a very brief stint trying to write for the very small screen, pitching and being hired to write made for tv movies during the 1990s. what i learned is how collaborative the film business was, how challenging and impossible it is to protect the historical accuracy and even authenticity. eric rightly pointed out we

i did meet with sally field, who was interested in someone more obsessed with mary lincoln than she was. i would have appreciated more complexity in the roles of the two african-americans with whom lincoln had the most contact during his years in the white house. but i thought the filmmakers did a powerful job in this portrait of racial dynamics within the walls of the executive mansion. as i discussed during an interview for "civil war times," though of course the link of our discussion was cut to fit the magazine, i remember defending tony kushner, who can certainly defend himself. but i was talking about the difficulty of a screenwriter squeezing everything in, which historians often don't take into account. i did a very brief stint trying to write for the very small screen, pitching and being hired to write made-for-tv movies during the 1990's. what i learned was how collaborative the film business was, how challenging and impossible it is to protect any artistic vision, a lot less historical accuracy or even authenticity. but eric rightly pointed out that we face constraints in our

maybe wasn't watching what his wife was doing, maybe for lack of a better term the crazy wife, the mary lincoln that, if they can do that and play that strong and itself jury buys it, he gets off. if 'he gets off, there's no conspiracy. it doesn't matter what she did. she's not elected. she's not the person in this thing that stands to have been involved in a bikery herself -- buyry herself. >> we -- bribery herself. >> we have to move on. thank you. >>> one man is dead, another seriously injured after a wjl triangle turned violent. a jealous ex shoots the new boyfriend and turns the gun on himself. it happened last night in the 3300 block of soldersfield. >> reporter: they walked outside to find her ex-husband armed with a gun. what happened next she said is something she never could have imagined. >> i got in between them. i took a step back [ inaudible ] >> reporter: kathy held howard in her arms and watched him die while her ex-husband robert ran away. >> that suspect who shot this man and then fled the scene went a few blocks away from here and went into a shed where he shot himself in t

middle of the movie, stevens and lincoln end up in the white house kitchen after a reception where mary lincolna confrontation with him. the reception is real. this is in the middle of january, but the scene in the kitchen is all invented. the scene in the kitchen, the script writer has lincoln and stevens engage in a debate about tactics. for me, this is in a nutshell what you see hollywood do so well and also do so wrong. so in the scene in this debate about tactics, there's a profound insight that lincoln offers to stevens, a kind of lesson about the difference between pragmatism and radicalism. and they're debating tactics and lincoln says to him, a compass, i learned when i was surveying, it will point you true north from where you're standing but it has no advice about the swamps and deserts and the chasms. you know, that's true. okay. but i don't think that's anything that lincoln and stevens would have said to each other. you know, we have this cartoonish view of stevens and the popular culture from movies like the birth of nation and now from lincoln that depict him as this radical, wi

i did meet with sally field wofs interested in someone whofsz more obsessed with mary lincoln than she was. i would have appreciated more come plexty. i thaublought the film makers d powerful job. as i discussed with an interview during civil wartimes. i remember defending tony kuchner who can defend himself. i did a very brief stint as trying to write for the very small screen, pitching and being hired to write paed-for-tv movies during the 1990s. what i learned how was collaborative the film business was. how challenging and impossible it is. the contraband scenesment i would say the arc of the film's narrative does create problems. and how many of us would like our manuscript to go before a focus group. and if you think that's what a peer reviewed man ewe manuscript is, it's a much more difficult ideal. i think all of the discussion of lincoln is mr interpretations of the complexities of race. i must confess social media has also had a powerful influence on me when i found a facebook conversation with two scholars. i was enlightened and enraged. a lively fashion that merits tarranti

author of numerous books about gender, race and the american civil war including biographies of mary todd lincoln, harriet tubman and mary kimball and susan king taylor and mary chestnut. professor clinton serves on the virginia commission and an advisory board member of civil ward history the ford's theater in washington d.c. and the civil war times and she also serves as historical consultant to steven spielberg's lincoln. i imagine we will hear about some of that experience today. john inscoe is professor of history and university professor at the university of georgia. he is the author of "mountain ma masters slavery and the sectional crisis in western north carolina." "race, war and remembrance" in the appalachian south and co-author of heart of confederate ap latch thctch app. and currently editor of the new encyclopedia and georgia historical association. he recently completed a book of "riding the south" and currently working on a book on ap latch that and film. >> brenda stevenson is history of professor at ucla where she serv served in the department of history and african-american stud

your opponent and lincoln, one of the great intellectuals of his day, and that was evidence apparently in this library he spent a lot of time thinking about it. >> i always felt maryt a bad rap. >> why is that? >> she was never depicted well. she was depicted as the crazy wife but it's always the woman that ends up carrying the burden of a crazy president. >> maybe so. especially in that day. >> absolutely. >>> well, for some of you, your local news is next. >>> for everyone else, high-end abodes made from shipping containers. a card that gave you that "i'm 16 and just got my first car" feeling. presenting the buypower card from capital one. redeem earnings toward part or even all of a new chevrolet, buick, gmc or cadillac - with no limits. so every time you use it, you're not just shopping for goods. you're shopping for something great. learn more at buypowercard.com ♪ hanes. a perfect fit for every body. now in colorful new styles. ♪ with roc multi correxion 5 in 1. hydrate dryness, illuminate dullness, lift sagging, diminish the look of dark spots, and smooth the appearance of wrinkles. roc® multi correxion 5 in 1. high performance skincare™. now for a flawless

that's a powerful scene, and mary lincoln points out who would have thought this old man would have ever come around in that fashion, but the problem with that scene from the historical record is it never happened. that's all invented. we have a congressional globe and we see the passages from the debate. that scene isn't there. stevens did say something just like that on january 5th, 1865, after they got the official report of the annual message when they come back from the christmas break and he's responding to the debates over lincoln's prophecy in december that they would, you know, debate this new amendment, and the republicans on capitol hill are trying to actually, it's complicated, but they're trying to sort of play for a time for a day while they wait for the members show up, and the next day, ashley is going to introduce into the record the abolition amendment, and stevens is race baited on january 5th and he responds all i support is equality under the law. he did that without prompting by lincoln. in the movie, lincoln is the hero. in the movie, stevens is, you know, an impor

the cash room, you can go and see where andrew johnson sat after he seceded abraham lincoln and he was waiting for mary todd lincoln. he sat and looked at the white house and you can tour his office. which is still a working office, a treasury today. also the civil rights move m, i think probably the civil rights movement encapsulated the fact that if you have a problem with washington, you need to come here to make your point about it, and the march on washington for jobs and freedom in 1963, which was time to coincide with the 100th anniversary of the emancipation proclamation was a major demonstration in washington that contributed greatly to changing racial relations in this country and leading to greater equality and justice in this country, but there have been many, many other protests, discussions and washington is very often the center of those, and very often they end at the lincoln memorial. this president who did so much to keep the country together. his memorial has become the meeting point for those who seek change. i end my book and i would end my remarks today with the invitation to each

mary todd lincoln is believed to have attempted this on the 10th anniversary of her husband's death. there were cases in which opium -- this is before morphine -- the strength would vary. it is not like medicine today where any bottle of tylenol will be the same power. someone may take a dose that was fine last month and it turns out to be stronger than they anticipated. the medicines were used on children. there were cases in which someone would accidentally give a dose that was too strong or maybe it is an old bottle then there is a concentrated amount. so you have it happening in a variety of ways. some intentional, some not, in some cases were the apprentice sells the wrong thing. there are macabre jokes about this. i asked for opium because i wanted quinine and i knew you would mess up the bottle. that kind of thing. you have a lot of cases about overdoses, both intentional and unintentional at the time. >> [indiscernible] >> they were reported in the main thing i would read about, it would say that the apprentice was fired. that would be the extent of what would happen. they wo

also, even at the time that the national council of negro women placed the monument to mary mcleod bethune in lincoln park, it was at the time that president ford had taken hold, and so i think there might have been a picture with president ford, because he was the person who accepted this, which is really the first memorial to an african-american or to a woman of any race to be placed in the nation's capital in a public park, and that was the bethune monument. c-span: that's 14 blocks from here, behind from the capitol, in lincoln park. >> guest: yes, it is. c-span: the national council of negro women, what is it, how long have you been associated with it? >> guest: i had been associated with it since that day in 1937, and mrs. bethune had called together two years before that women from organizations and she said, what we needed was not another organization but one that would bring people together. and she said, "because the negro woman" -- and these are her words -- "stands outside of america's mainstream of opportunity, influence and power." and she said, "what we needed was to harness our will a

upper 60s at lincoln park and old st. mary's school. in the low 60s down here in light breeze upper 50s- low '60's in kankakee. skies are mainly clear. we have one shower starting to pop-up just northwest of joliet. other than that mainly clear appearance of pettifog this area of clouds and showers for the most part stayed to the south. next good chance for one this scattered showers and thunderstorms is around 2 or 3:00 p.m. that's where the r.p.m. models generate that it will subside tonight. a change in the pattern chance of isolated shower tomorrow and around two or 3:00. not so bad into the weekend it will be a washout you may need your umbrella for a brief period time believe a scattered showers tonight. partly cloudy down 63 and a warm weekend below average has readied-81. a slight chance of showers on saturday cooler along the lake. partly to mostly sunny on sunday high of 81. >> still ahead, with the ravens of running back had to say about attacking his wife at a casino. and here with the former president said about his chance

i mean, mary was -- there's certain rooms that are scary. the lincolnonal treasures on the walls, that you realize, and we spent the night there, that you would be the last person saved if there was a fire. everything else would be -- who cares? let me save the star-spangled banner. >> jimmy: i would be worried about breaking something, would be my main concern. >> right. >> jimmy: i get up in the middle of the night and accidentally pee in lincoln's dresser or something. [ laughter ] and do you get to spend much time with the clintons? or are they busy? it's like staying at somebody's workplace? >> it is. it's so strange to talk about this. it feels bizarre. but they really are mary's best friends for so many years. yeah. we would -- one night, we played this game called ditch the president because he has so much energy. he would go and do two fund-raisers and three different cities, four speeches. we would have taken a nap. and maybe gone to a gallery and it's 9:30 or 10:00, we'd be ready to go to our bedroom and go to sleep. we'd see him around the c

would want to wake up in a newer wanted to know abraham lincoln but i couldn't figure out how to have my own ankle. at first i thought i'd write about maryd a period so many books about him, but their partnership during world war ii became the team. as they started sending the first couple years i realized she couldn't carry the public side of the story the way eleanor did. somehow luckily it went up to stewart's house, his secretary of state earlier the research that it's a wonderful museum that is preserved everything about secretary of state's life. ibm to get interested and i read his letters and his wife is away from washington for a year so he wrote her letter after letter and then i got interested in the other guys in the cabinet. changes since antenna while the male cat diaries or letters. so it's probably three or four years into it i realized this is the story i can tell. his relationship with all these guys because they talk about them in a way not everybody else has to they tell me what they felt about each other in a team of rivals became the subject of the book. >> to president obama call you and say i have an idea about a