i remember going to where he had his lincoln book and there was a picture of mary lincoln. i wondered why lincoln would ever marry a crazy woman. i spent time trying to find that out and i realized she was not. she had slaves, money and she married lincoln and had nothing. remarkably courageous woman. that was one of the wonderful things i learned about her. manyitely more to her than people give her credit. carl: i would say how complex he is and how he matured emotionally over his lifetime. early on, he was not the most mature person. he is probably more mature than his playmates but he did things that were mean. he learned he would not benefit from being mean. the interesting part in the book was showing that progression without having 500 pages go in depth. -- the ku klux klan wiped her name from the county history. they even went as far as desecrating her grave and i wanted to know why. >> the question about mary lincoln's medical condition. comments.f to is diabetes goes back 1500 bc were well aware of diabetes. doctors would actually taste the urine to see if it was s

and the bottom is mary lincoln, so there were photographs taken later on in lincoln's nice, when thomas lincoln in the top left -- life, when photography started becoming more common. the picture on the top rate is a -- top right is a hand drawing. this is mordechai lincoln. thomas cause brother. there are no photographs of it. thisit is an important role bece he was the one who shot the killer of their father and saved thomas lincoln's life when he was only six years old. if he had not saved thomas lincoln's life when he was six years old, there would be no abraham lincoln. even if there is some family, he did save abraham lincoln. who knows who this picture is of? >> nancy hanks lincoln. david: nancy hanks lincoln. there is no photographs of nancy hanks lincoln. this is a picture taken of her based on a description. did we know she looked like this? no. if you look at some of the other descriptions of nancy lincoln in the informants volume, you'll see that there are other people who describe her in a very different way. she was not quite so pretty. she was shorter. she was a little li

mary lincoln, for example, the most wonderful image of mary lincoln, at the window of her bedroom at the cottage, looking out every morning when she would see lincoln leaving for the white house, wondering of course whether he would ever come back. there's another lovely image of lincoln's big toe emerging from his hole in his stocking as he would wiggle it around talking to heaven knows who, his visitors to the lincoln cottage. there is another lovely image of stanton. yes? >> [indiscernible] elizabeth: my goodness, that's what i was afraid of. [laughter] elizabeth: sorry about that. there is another lovely image of stanton and lincoln at the lincoln cottage, trying to unfasten the peacocks that the men of the soldiers had used to fasten the peacocks to the branches of the trees, because they were escaping and bothering lincoln's boy and stanton's children also. there is a lovely metaphor for the two of them who were dealing with the anguish of the war. i have more to say about stanton in a few minutes. i wanted people to get some smells in my writing. washington was called the city

you can look back at the mary todd lincoln photograph. she sought him out three years after his trial. three years after he had been in the press and derided in the press, mary todd lincoln still sought him out and had a photograph taken and believed in it. she showed it to her friends and said, here is proof that abraham is still with me. >> that gets directly to my question. other than hannah green who said she got advice from her ghost doctor, i am curious whether you came across accounts of these living subjects of the photographs, my first thought was, maybe he had gotten some photos of relatives, but now that i know there were living people walking around, i am curious what it is they were deriving from those particular incarnations of ghosts, especially if they did not know them or recognize them. it did you come across any specific accounts of what they were seeking and what connection they drew? peter: there is a fellow, mr. adams of massachusetts, he founded adams express. he was the fedex of his day. he shipped things between bo

if it were not for mary lincoln, lincoln never would have been president. he would have ended up as a territorial governor of washington. catherine: he would have accepted that appointment had she be willing to go. >> in all seriousness, we do not underestimate her contribution to his legacy and presidency. this is a pointed question. did life with her prepare him for salmon chase? [laughter] -- for samuel chase and the rest of them? [laughter] catherine: mary always had strong opinions and her opinions were not always based on the same moral values her husband had. he could see quite clearly that coming from the kentucky bluegrass family and being raised among ambassadors and senators and politicians that she had a remarkable memory. she kept grudges from sitting in the illinois balcony counting the votes, watching her husband lose the election, to when he was appointing his cabinet, writing dictatorship letters back to everyone. i think he listened to her but he was aware that she could have manifest all the pettiness, which he did not. she was a sounding

> i'm the author of the lincoln in the course of reading comments to marry lincoln, she quotes mary lincoln as warning a abraham -- warning abraham lincoln not to trust andrew johnson, that he is a danger. and then lincoln issues his terms for the southerners to return and gain their forgiveness, if you will, and then the booth operation, which was a highly organized operation into which the confederacy poured a great deal of money through their intelligence operation, quarterbacked by , do you thinks that operation, as efficient as it was, intended to kill andrew johnson, that he would have survived? prof. reed: i talked a little bit about this in the book. i don't know. it's too far off. i don't know enough about that to make a claim about the notion that -- the suggestion was that johnson may have been in on this and he was targeted, but really not targeted. i don't know. >> johnson was being impeached or convicted by one vote. they tried to convict him, as i understand it, because they pass that law saying the senate could have a say in who his cabinet was. wasn't that considered uncons

author of the lincoln passed to -- in the course of reading comments to marry lincoln, she quotes mary lincoln as warning a blink and not to trust andrew johnson, .hat he is a danger and and then lincoln issues is terms for the southerners to return gain their forgiveness, if you will, and then the booth was a highlyich organized operation into which the confederacy poured a great deal of money quarterbacked by jefferson davis via robert e lee. do you think that operation, as efficient as it was, intended to kill andrew johnson, that he would have survived? prof. reed: i talked a little bit about this in the book. i don't know. it's too far off. i don't know enough about that to make a claim about the notion that -- the suggestion was that johnson may have been in on this and he was targeted, but really not targeted. i don't know. >> johnson was being impeached or convicted i one vote. they tried to convict him, as i understand it, because they pass that law saying the senate could have a say in who his cabinet was. wasn't that considered unconstitutional? prof. reed: later it was. it took a w

if it weren't for mary lincoln, lincoln never would have been president. he would have been the territorial governor of the state i'm from, washington. >> he would have accepted that appointment if she had been willing to go. >> right. we do not underestimate her contribution to his legacy and his presidency. but this is a pointed question having to do with his emotional sophistication. did life with her and their marriage prepare him for samuel chase and the rest of them? >> i think mary always had very strong opinions and her opinions were often not based on the same moral values that her husband had. so he could see quite clearly that coming from the kentucky bluegrass family and being raised among ambassadors and senators and politicians that she had a remarkable memory. i mean she kept grudges from sitting in the illinois balcony counting the votes, watching her husband lose the senatorial election, to when he was appointing his cabinet, writing dictatorship letters back to everyone, "don't you let that norman." you know, she was very, very strong min

the other hand, lincoln's face virtually never did that. on the far right were any of these. mary todd, his wife, teased him that this was his photographers face. loved- you know lincoln stories. he was a mimic. he was laughing, smiling, joking, could not stop talking at times but his face was rarely slack like that. that is not the man, you know? if we met lincoln, he would not be -- in fact, u.s. have never seen me make this face. right? that is not how my face goes. and so my family saw photograph say,that, there waould that was so strange. his face was so immobile. same with lincoln. here's the first photograph we have of lincoln. this came to light late in the 19th century. actually, it is about, -- ida got it from robert todd lincoln, who lived during chicago among other places and died in 1926. this shocked everybody these people do not realize he is so put together. he is really well groomed. he has a beautiful house on eighth and jackson street in springfield. how may people have been there? into his house? ok. he has two boys. ambitious, really smart wife. he will be goi

. >> so, here's lincoln, mary todd. this is lincoln's oldest son robert todd who actually posed for a photograph that would then be used for the painting. but, again, i just wanted -- four art -- for art in this period, i want to get you the out of the idea that it is about artist that pain from their soul. it is about business, it is about media, striking while the iron is hot. can you imagine? your father is assassinated. you go to a photographers gallery. and then have your portrait taken the way you thought you might event -- have been mourning in the room that was much too small, the rubber room, the room keeps getting bigger as people enter. they have to show everybody that came that night. >> watch the entire program tonight at 8 p.m. and midnight eastern on lectures in history. american history tv, only on c-span 3. sunday night on afterwards. women's march on washington cochair linda sars for reflects on the 2017 march and what the ahead for the's movement, behind the scenes of the protest heard around the world

so here is lincoln, mary todd. this is lincoln's oldest son, robert todd, who actually posed for a photograph that would then be used for the painting. so, again, i just want to -- for art in this period, i want to get you out of the idea that it's all about emotion, expression. artists that paint from their souls. it's about business. it's about media. it's about striking while the iron's hot, while people are still interested. isn't this something? can you imagine that? your father is assassinated. you go to a photographer's gallery and then have your portrait taken the way you thought you might have been mourning when you were in that room that is much too small, herald hultzer call the calls it the rubber room. the room just keeps getting bigger as people enter. they have to show everybody that came that night. you know, this is kind of sad. this is henry, the man that jumped up to protect lincoln and got his arm slashed and then had a horrible life afterwards. really horrible life. he gets pushed all the way to

sophie, jafar, robert been, paula jeffries, rachel jeffries, kathleen mary german, and johnson, mary alice lincolnesent keisha wyden, her boyfriend, timothy baron johnson, christopher andrew jones, julian francis kelly, j joseph. we remember them. patricia and klein. is to for -- christopher lac h lacochi lacochier. robert milton, william chase flyer, wendy and lincoln. i represent and lindsay. lloyd david ludlow. teresa, william edward mack. james bruce mc curry. >> we remember them. wendy forsyth, douglas eugene, elizabeth merrick. lewis anthony marengo. noel george martin. diane marie kozlowski. william john mcallister. willie mcelroy. robert eugene mccollum. charles dennis mckee. bernard joseph mclaughlin. jane susan melbourne. i represent frederick sanford phillips. >> we remember them. suzanne marie, joseph kenneth miller. jewell courtney mitchell. james and morgan. eva mortensen. helga rachel mosey. richard palma and eddie. ingrid elizabeth mulroy, john mould i, sean kevin malloy, mary geraldine mercy. karen elizabeth noonan. thomas britton. >> we remember them. daniel emmett o'connor. mary

culture coatery versus the male salon, this meeting in the back of speed's store because of lincoln. >> mary calls it a coateryia at one point, said my giant stood heads above the little giant, some derogatory thing. one quick thing, chuck, i have to ask you and guy and anybody else that wants to weigh in. there's a lot of mythology about lincoln's relationship with steven douglas. they had great respect for each other even though they were separated by their different viewpoints on schaefferery. i like to think they weren't friends but i want to see what you think. on slavery, correction. >> i think it was a way of not offending the south. >> before that. >> yeah. i wish i could quote the letter. there's a letter he writes, i can't remember to whom he wrote it. here i am not getting anywhere and not doing very much. here's douglas now in the united states senate and one of the leading politics and he goes on and on expressing envy. to that extent it was a very motivating factor. without judas would there have been a jesus, without douglas would there have been a lincoln? i really think not.

-- versus the salon, male salon that is meeting in the back of speed's store because of lincoln. >> and yet mary calls it a coterie at one point. she says in our little coterie in springfield, my giant stood heads above the little giant or some derogatory thing. one quick thing, chuck, i have to ask you, and, guy, and anybody else who wants to weigh in. there is a lot of mythology about lincoln's relationship with stephen douglas, they were friends but differed politically. they had great respect for each other, even though they were separated by their differing viewpoints on slavery, et cetera. i happen to think they weren't friends but i'd love to hear what you think. >> i would say not. i think lincoln, in fact, had great contempt for douglas. douglas' fundamental position popular sovereignty was a way to rational not offending the south. >> i think even before, don't you? >> before that. i wish i could quote the letter, but there is a letter he writes, i can't remember to whom he wrote it, here i am, i'm not getting anywhere, i'm not doing very much and douglas is out here in the united stat

culture coterie versus the salon that's meeting in the back of speed's store because of lincoln. >> and yet mary calls it a coterie at one point. she says in our little coterie in springfield my giant stood heads above the little giant or something derogatory. one thing chuck and guy i have to ask you and anybody else who wants to weigh in. there's a lot of mythology about lincoln's relationship with steven douglas. they were friends but different politically. they had great respect for each other even though they were separated by different view points on slavery extension. i happen to think they weren't friends but i'd love to see what you think. >> i would say not. i think lincoln had great contempt for douglas. douglas wanted to find a way to rationalize not offending the south. he -- i wish i could quote the letter, there's a letter he writes, i can't remember to whom he lwrote it but it was like hee i am not doing very much and here's douglas in the united states senate, he's one of the leading politicians and goes on and on expressing envy of douglas so -- it's like the old without judas

and mary todd and his family loved chicago, too. lincoln loved chicago because he loved theater, and there were wonderful theaters in the loop. mary todd, his wife, loved chicago for the shopping. and most of that was along lake street. can you imagine where that is, lake street, underneath the l now? it wasn't until the 19th century that all the shopping in chicago changed to state street, north and south. originally -- and this makes perfect sense, doesn't it -- the commerce grew up along the river, grew up where the boats could unload. and so all the stores, all the photographers, galleries were along lake street. and lincoln was generally, i have to say, lincoln was a really patient sitter for works of art and for photographs. he was really nice and accommodating, and he wanted things to go well. and so he was patient. and so it's not like washington. do you remember, we talked about washington after he got to -- after the war, people were coming to mount vernon, knocking on his door, every artist thought they could make a living if the

lincoln on the other hand, his face never really did that. mary todd teased him that he had a photographers face. lincoln loved stories, he was a mimic, he would laugh, smile, would not stop talking at times, but his face was very rarely slack like that. so, that is not the man. -- you allincoln, have never seen me make this face, right? that is not how my face goes. so, if my family saw a photograph like that, they would say, god, he was so strange area and his face was so mobile. it is the same thing with lincoln. ofs is a photograph we saw lincoln which came to light late in the 19th century, a famous writer and journalist got it from robert todd lincoln who lived here in chicago, among other places. he died in 1926. the photoshop everybody because people do not realize, my gosh, he has soap together. -- so put together. he was very well groomed, had a beautiful house on eighth and jackson street in springfield. how many people have been there? boys, ambitious, smart, really smart wife, and he would be going to the house of representatives to s

lincoln navigators and expeditions in the recall. >>> happy new year to all of you watching to our viewers and to you mary. it is freezing cold. it is a new year but the same old cold. monday we will get up to 40 0 and that is as good as it gets. we are not the only ones, look at this. the entire nation, most of it is under a cold freeze with very cold temperatures. to degrees in chicago right now. kansas city is at 10 0. our area we are at 21 0 and that is not what it feels like. when you add a little bit of wind it feels like 12 0. high temperatures today will be between 20 0 and 26 0. those wind chills are making it feel like the teens. a coastal system will develop and it will brush by us and give us a chance for snow and slam into the boston area where we will have a chance for snow. early thursday morning the very eastern edge of dc will be covered with some light snow for a few hours in the morning. the problem is timing. it will be just right and unfortunately the time is not good because we will likely see this during the morning drive. it will be light to moderate snow mainly east of dc between 5 a.m. and notice the

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and mary ellen young-truman, when truman became president and she went to the white house, he sort of jokingly said, mom, we're going to put you in the lincoln bedroom. and she said, i just as soon sleep on the floor. and when he introduced her to one of his friends, a congressman from mississippi, he remarked, this man never met a republican until he was 18, and she says, he wasn't missing much. so, you get the idea, the background that truman had. yet he transcended it because this was unfair to him. all people should be treated as equals. so, he became the first president to address the naacp, which he did in 1947. now, i don't mean to say these problems only existed in the south. one thing always tell my students. people think that racism is just something that is in the south, but this is a wall. we talk today about building walls. this is a wall in detroit, separating a black neighborhood from a white neighborhood. the were race bias in detroit, chicago, in the 1940s, as african-americans tried to move into white neighborhoods. and i won't read this but you can see, this is in miami, which normally we don't associate with racial proble