mike pompeo or mary louise kelly? i'm going with mary louise kelly. >> okay. so let's see. look at the -- okay. in the statement, rick, the last line pompeo's statement says, it is worth noting that bangladesh is not ukraine. first of all, kelly has a master's degree in european studies from cambridge university. >> right. >> he doesn't say she couldn't identify ukraine on a map. he insinuates -- it's a petty attempt to put her down. is that what this is? >> of course. of course. it's -- he's just trying to demean her. obviously it's false. look, he also knows deep in his heart that donald trump couldn't find a ukraine on a map if you had the letter u and an actual crane. he knows this is an administration defined by the ignorance of the world. that's part of him playing to the base. they want to think that donald trump's a smart one and y'all elitists are dumpt you elitists with your geography, maps, spelling. >> your math, your reading. >> yeah, your reading. your geography. knowing other countries. sipping your latte. >> all those lines on the map. >> only them elitists

mike pompeo or mary louise kelly who has the tapes? i'm going to go with mary louise kelly. >> hmm. the -- okay. in the statement, rick, the last line, the pompeo statement says, it is worth noting that bangladesh is not ukraine. first of all, kelly has a masters degree in european studies from cambridge university. >> right. >> also he doesn't really say that she couldn't identify ukraine on a map. he insinuates. it's just a petty attempt to put her down, right? is that what this is? >> of course. of course. he's just trying to demean her, and obviously it's false. look, he also knows deep in his heart that donald trump couldn't find ukraine on a map if you had the letter "u" and a picture of an actual crane next to it. he knows this is an administration defined by ignorance of the world. that's partly him playing to their base and playing to their audience. the credulous demo that backs donald trump, that wants to think donald trump is the smart one and y'all elitists are done. you elitists with your geography and maps and your spelling. >> your readin'. >> your readin', your geog

now as for the way he treated mary louise kelly, i've known ms. kelly a long time.you're not going to tiends a more professional reporter. there wasn't a single question she asked that wasn't fair. in fact, if would have been irresponsible for her not to ask those questions given the impeachment trial that's going on right now. >> full disclosure, mary louise kelly was in my wife's rooming group in college. i've been friends with mary louise for more than 25 years. she won't talk about this because she wants the journalism to speak for itself which is t does. when you listen to the questions and how measured they were, how fair they were, and how important they were. it speaks to mike pompeo, the secretary of state's state of mind that he can't handle those questions. now describe what mary louise says happened after the interview. i want to play sound of mary louise telling listeners what happened. >> i was taken to the secretary's private living room where he was waiting and where he shouted at me for about the same amount of time as the interview itself had laste

i thought the bangladesh aspect of his attack on mary louise kelly was all jokes aside genuinely shockingrst of all i don't believe it's true that she failed to identify ukraine on a map. if one of them is misrepresenting the encounter, she says she correctly identified ukraine, and i have every reason to think she's telling the truth. and so the inclusion of a lie about her that he's not even prepared to state, he merely sort of insinuates it by saying bangladesh is not ukraine, and i think that's -- you know, if you assume that he's not truthfully suggesting that she did not identify ukraine properly on a map, that's a very ugly smear to do on the secretary of state's letterhead. >> yeah. >> to imply that falsely if that's really what he did is a very, very unusual and nasty misuse of government power to smear a reporter. >> i mean it was unusual. now we're in the trump era. before i move off of this, i just want to play to just build up on your point, this was an interview mike pompeo had with a quite good reporter in nashville. this was in october. she asked him some stuff questions a

now he was trying to dodge questions about ukraine during this interview with host mary louise kelly. she politely kept asking the questions and then after the interview, she says she was basically chastised by pompeo. he ripped into her and insulted her intelligence. now in a statement, he's calling her a liar. the truth is, that kelly has a lot of credibility and pompeo does not. this has become a story with president trump weighing in right now, retweeting fox asking why does npr still exist? we will answer that question a little later this hour. we have susan, john and oliver standing by with analysis about this story. first, let me tell you about pompeo, the pan who is supposed to be a promoter of press freedom around the world, instead, he's trafficking in put downs. secretary of state mike pompeo has a history of hostility toward members of the news media. >> you know, i agreed to come on your show to talk about iran. >> reporter: his treatment of npr's mary louise kelly is just the latest in a pattern that has alarmed free press advocates. >> i confirmed with your staff i woul

to mary louise kelly, that was on the record. it's the only reason she was there to talk to him.d it be off the record which it wasn't, had it be off the record, off the record is not a cheeld to allow a public official to go on a profane rant or tirade against a reporter doing her or his duty. off the report is supposically you're having conversation to convey things that are complicated to do on the record. that is an agreement. that is not a dictate. so, a senior official to assume somebody's going to differential and protect you from the block back from an obscene tirade -- >> he loses his temper. >> he's been polluting the state department with his partisanship and pet lens for some time. he does not want to interact with members of the press. >> why is he giving these interviews? >> because he views the press as surrogates, as platforms for getting his talking points out. that's not the duty of the press. the duty of the press is to ask questions. so, pompeo again is entirely composed when engaging with members of the media with whom he agrees and then when somebody asks a

mary louise kelly confused bangladesh and ukraine.'t think that's likely, but let me just show you for reference. here is bangladesh and there is ukraine. they are not similar in size, they are not in the same part of the world. nothing to do with each other. bangladesh, india. both over a body of water, except there is last over ukraine and no land until you get to the south pole. again, nothing similar to these things. according to kelly, she never agreed to be off the record at any point and communicated in advance to pompeo's office that she intended to ask about ukraine. joining us now is jackie author of "washington post" power up and elise from george university school of foreign service. elise, you are an expert at these matters at the state department about matters around the world and you're probably better at maps than most people. you know mary louise kelly. pompeo didn't say she came out and confused bangladesh and ukraine. it is meant to undermine a veteran journalist. >> right, ali. look, it's a crowd pleasing statement

okay where mary louise kelly asked as you say, secretary pompeo, totally fair, legitimate questions want she wanted to know why he wasn't defending one of his diplomats overseas, and secretary of state pompeo isn't normally known as a snowflakes but for some reason, he was unsettled by that fair question. so let's just replay it. respectfully where have you defended marie yovanovitch. >> i have done what's right for every single person. >> can you point me toward your remarks where you have defended marie yovanovitch. >> i have said everything i'm going to say today. thanks for the repeated opportunity to do so. i appreciate that. >> that was for public consumption and privately according to her he went into a profanity laced tirade in a separate room away from the cameras. why can't he answer that simple question? >> is he embarrassed, that's a generous interpretation. it's a difficult question because he's now overseeing ten of thousands or continues to oversee tens of thousands of diplomats serving around the world who are also questioning why he didn't defend a u.s. diplomat serving

mary louise kelly -- [ cheers and applause mary louise kelly can point out ukraine on a map and she canll you the five best hotels to stay at. side note, hey, don't mess with a woman who has three first names. i learned that the night i got my ass kicked by sarah jessica parker [ laughter ] oh, and hey, now -- now i hear you're removing a different npr reporter from your upcoming trip to ukraine why are you even going to ukraine? i heard some dickhead say americans don't even care about that place [ light laughter ] you might be forgetting about one american though, because your boss tweeted after your tantrum that he might consider cutting off funding for npr. hey, dingbat, aren't you already in trouble for holding back money because you didn't get are you completely incapable of learning anything? i mean, i guess i know the answer to that, given that you've been married three times and you still haven't learned how to make a woman smile. [ audience ohs ] [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause "the key to a woman's heart, if i've learned anything, the key to a woman's heart, tell her how y

listen to how testy he got during an interview with npr's mary louise kelly for "all things consideredbject, ukraine. do you owe ambassador marie yovanovitch an apology? >> you know, i agreed to come on your show today to talk about iran. that's what i intend to do. >> i confirmed with your staff last night that i would talk about iran and ukraine. >> i just don't have anything else to say about that this morning. >> stephen: so pompeo refused to talk about anything besides iran. does he think the name of the show is "one thing considered"? ( laughter ) but kelly, being a good journalist, pressed on, focusing on why pompeo, as secretary of state, didn't do more to protect the ambassador to ukraine. >> sir, respectfully, where have you defended marie yovanovitch? >> i've defended every single person on this team. i've done what's right for every single person on this team. >> can you point me toward your remarks where you have defended marie yovanovitch? >> i've said all i'm going to say today. thank you. thanks for the repeated opportunity to do so. i apprte tephen: pre sarcastic. ( la

from npr said she got a tongue lashing from the secretary of state mike pompeo.the reporter mary louise kelly defense for one of his diplomats, former ambassador marie yovanovitch. secretary pompeo had one response different from the one in private. here's a portion. >> people who worked for you in your department, people who have resigned in this department under your leadership saying you should stand up for the diplomats who work here. >> i don't know who the unnamed sources you refer to. >> this is not an unnamed source. this is senior adviser michael mckinley who testified under oath that he resigned in part due to the failure of the state department for employees held up in the impeachment inquiry on ukraine. >> i'm not going to get caught up in things that mr. mckinley may have said. i only say i have defended every state department official. >>le sir, where have you defended marie yovanovitch? >> i've defended every single person on the team. >> can you point me towards your remarks where you defended marie yovanovitch? >> i've said all i'm going to say. >> joining us now is garrett g

i want to listen now to mary louise kelly talk to mike pompeo about the ambassador to ukraine, what he did to defend the ambassador to ukraine when donald trump was attacking her. let's listen to this. >> i was taken to the secretary's private living room where he was waiting and he shouted at me the time the interview had lasted. he was not happy to have been questioned about ukraine. he asked, do you think americans care about ukraine? he used the f word in that sentence and many others. he asked if i could find ukraine on a map. i said yes. he called out for his aides to bring him a map of the world with no writing, no countries marked. >> huh. >> i pointed to ukraine. he put the map away. he said people will hear about this. >> if mike pompeo was under oath being questioned by the house managers, i think that interview would go very differently. >> yeah. i think that's right. you know, i hear something like this and it actually -- it's so deeply disturbing. mike pompeo's job is to be a public servant. and i get it, you can get frustrated with how people ask questions. i know, it ha

else of all things considered mary louise kelly said during an interview yesterday pompeo grew irritated when she pressed him about the firing of the investor maria von of it. >> i am not going to comment on things mr. mckinley may have said. i will say i have defended every state department official. we have built a great team. >> i have defended every single person on this team. i have done what is right for every single person. >> after the interview she said he shouted at her in a private meeting and demanded she point out ukraine on an unmarked map. and pompeo statement he did not dispute her account of the conversation but said kelly lied about the interview topics in light about the post interview meeting being off the record. kelly and npr dispute his claim saying she never agreed to an off the record conversation. >> crews are putting the finishing touches on everything the one and only vince lombardi trophy made it his arrival. inside the miami beach convention center fans will be able to see the trophy along with the rings from past winners. 49ers take on the kansas city chief

on friday, pompeo was interviewed on the program "all things considered" by mary louise kelly, who pressed him over the treatment of recalled u.s. ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch. >> i have defended every state department official. we have built a great team. >> respectfully, where have you defended marie yovanovitch? >> i have defended everything a person on this team. >> can you point me toward your remarks where you have defended marie yovanovitch? >> i have set i'm going to say today. amy: after the tense interview, kelly said pompeo shouted at her for asking him about ukraine, asked her, "do you think americans care about ukraine?" -- using the f-word in that, and other sentences -- and asked her to identify ukraine on a map. in a statement, pompeo said kelly lied to him about the questions she would ask in the interview, as well as about their post-interview exchange being off the record. kelly denies both of these claims. ben wizner of the aclu said of the incident -- "the state department cannot retaliate against a news outlet because one of its reporters asked tough questi

. >> let's point out also mary louise kelly has an advanced degree in european studies from cambridge ukraine is. that's not a tough one. all right, everybody stand by. we're following breaking news. also out of china, the u.s. government is preparing a charter flight to evacuate american citizens from the chinese center at the city of the coronavirus outbreak. the number continues to grow around the world. we have details. hpaste, but not seeing results? try crest 3d whitestrips. its enamel-safe formula lifts and removes stains to provide 100% noticeably whiter teeth or your money back. try crest 3d whitestrips. rowithout the commission fees and account minimums. so, you can start investing wherever you are - even on the bus. download now and get your first stock on us. robinhood. until i found out what itst it actually was.ed me. dust mite droppings! eeeeeww! dead skin cells! gross! so now, i grab my swiffer sweeper and heavy-duty dusters. duster extends to three feet to get all that gross stuff gotcha! and for that nasty dust on my floors, my sweeper's on it. the textured cloths gr

this looks like backlash, tough questions from another npr reporter mary-louise kelly asked pompeo lasteek what's going on here. >> interviewed him a few days ago. he shouted at her afterwards. npr said we will not be intimidated. today she was supposed to go with pompeo to ukraine. gets kicked off the plane. npr confirms this person is no longer going on the trip, all the hallmarks of retaliation by the state department against npr for doing good old fashioned reporting. what country is this? the kind of b.s. you would see in third world countries, not in the united states. the state department, mike pompeo should be standing up for the press. >> thank you brian, amanda, waj, appreciate it. >>> remembering kobe bryant, the country mourning the lakers legend. dawn is a go-to grease-cleaner throughout the kitchen, too. keep a bottle in the laundry room to pre-treat greasy stains. and keep dawn in the garage to lift grease off car rims. it's even gentle enough to clean wildlife affected by oil. dawn's grease cleaning power takes care of tough grease wherever it shows up. scrub less and sa

. >> ryan, let's start when npr's mary louise kelly was asking the secretary of state if he owed an apology>> where are you defended marie yovonovitch? >> i've defended every single person on this team. >> can you point me towards your remarks where you have defended marie yovonovitch? >> i've defended her. i've said all i'm going to say today to you. thanks for the repeated opportunity to do so. appreciate that. >> we know what happened after that exchange. he called this -- i mean, i should say highly respected reporter into his office and basically berated her and made her take a pop quiz, which to me is a form of kind of like trying to degrade someone, trying to humiliate them and changed the subject. you know, we're talking about this now, we're not talking about the fact as much the way as secretary of state he did not defend this ambassador. so i think the questioning was sort of a model of how to be polite and respectful but firm when government officials obfuscate. so it is nice that this is getting a little more attention, but the reasons for it are very disappointing, the way tha

the fiery exchange between pompeo and mary louise kelly came after this contentious interview on npr.t team, the team that works here -- >> sir, respectcally, where have you defended marie yovanovitch. >> i've defended every single person on this team. i've done what's right for every single -- >> can you point me toward your remarks where you have defended marie yovanovitch. >> i've said all i am going to say today, thank you. thank you for the repeated opportunity. i appreciate that. >> following that conversation, kelly said pompeo's aide asked her to come into his private state department living room without a recorder and that's when pompeo repeatedly directed the f word at her, and says that pompeo also said do you think americans care about ukraine, and people will hear about this. kelly said pompeo had an aide bring an unmarked map to quiz kelly on where ukraine is, and she pointed to ukraine on the map, and then she said the secretary put it away. at no point did the aide say that the conversation was not reportable, according to kelly. and this morning secretary of state mik

this looks like backlash, tough questions from another npr reporter mary-louise kelly asked pompeo lastat's going on here. >> right. she interviewed him a few days ago, asked him about ukraine. pompeo hated it and he shouted at her afterwards. npr said we will not be intimidated. today npr's reporter who was supposed to go with pompeo to ukraine gets kicked off the plane. the state didn't did not comment on why. npr confirms this person is no longer going on the trip, she's no longer on the plane. all the hallmarks of retaliation by the state department against npr for simply doing good old-fashioned reporter. what country is this? the kind of b.s. you would see in third world countries, not in the united states. the state department, mike pompeo should be standing up for the press. and not pulling this kind of trick. >> thank you, brian, amanda, waj, appreciate it. >>> next remembering kobe bryant. the country mourning the lakers legend. when you take align, you have the support of a probiotic and the gastroenterologists who developed it. align helps to soothe your occasional digestive

well, after the interview the reporter, npr's mary-louise kelly, says pompeo got profane, petty, askingamericans even cared about ukraine, then had his staffers bring in a blank world map and tried to shame her, he said, find ukraine. she says she did, which would not be surprising. does pompeo deny this? no. in a statement on official -- look at the paper, put the paper on. he says, it's worth noting that bangladesh is not ukraine. just throw up a map. you think someone as seasoned as she is, you think someone who went to fifth grade, thinks where bangladesh is, there, part of old pakistan, you see ukraine? you think you're going to mix those up? bangladesh isn't even connected to russia. why did he say that? because they don't give a damn about the truth. what they care about is shaming people who try to expose the truth. all right? now what's the source of the virus? the obvious. >> what a stupid question that is. what a stupid question. but i watch you a lot, you ask a lot of stupid questions. >> now there's so much more. that's not the point, to showcase it again. it has become con

. >>> national public radio reporter mary louise kelly with a fierce defense of the first amendment aftersh with secretary of state mike pompeo. writing, quote, there is a reason it matters that people in positions of power be held to account. the stakes are too high for their impulses and decisions not to be examined in as thoughtful and rigorous an interview as possible. kelly calls that both a privilege and a responsibility. she says secretary of state pompeo shouted and swore at her after an interview where she questioned him. >> pompeo claims kelly lied about the questions she would ask. emails appear to refute pompeo's claim. president trump has his secretary's back. >> that reporter couldn't have done too good a job on you yesterday. think you did a good job on her actually. >> wow. the laughter in the room. the state department has yet to explain or defend the removal of a different npr reporter from pompeo's travel pool for an upcoming trip. the state department correspondents association says it looks like retaliation. npr has not been told whether it's a one off or a full-blown

secretary of state mike pompeo accusing npr's mary louise kelly of lying whether she agreed to keep theirtion off the record. when kelly questioned pompeo about ukraine and the treatment of ambassador yovanovich he abruptly ended their interview. this is what happened after the interview, according to kelly. >> i was taken to the secretary's private living room where he was waiting and where he shouted at me for about the same amount of time that the interview itself lasted. he was not happy to have been questioned about ukraine. he asked if i could find ukraine on a map. i said yes. he called out for his aides to bring him a map of the world with no countries marked i pointed to ukraine, he put the map away. >> pompeo accusing her of lying and violating the rules of journalism. he also added this is how unhinged the media has become in its quest to hurt president trump and this administration. it is worth noting that bangladesh is not ukraine. npr countered the statement saying kelly has conducted herself with integrity and we stand behind this report. joining me now, a columnist with th

he chose mary louise kelly of npr, who happens, as we pointed out, on top of her harvard degree, to have earned a masters in cambridge on european history. so after that dustup -- and the ramifications are still going on. npr's reporter was banned on the secretary of state's last overseas flight. the president in the east room today with bibi netanyahu, so an impeached president hosting a prime minister under indictment, chose to give a shout-out to his secretary of state. we'll play that. >> the great secretary of state mike pompeo. [ cheers and applause ] that was very impressive. that reporter couldn't have done too good a job on you yesterday. i think you did a good job on her actually. that's good. thank you, mike. >> ashley parker, maggie haberman immediately tweeted, should help get suburban women back. what do you think? >> this is the challenge for president trump. what he said there, it reminds me to start with of something not that dissimilar that we see him say in his raucous rallies, where he sort of encourages the crowd or a security crew to rough up a protester. and he sor

what's interesting here is, look, the interview between mary louise kelly and mike pompeo was tense. she asked a bunch of questions about iran as he wanted to talk about it, then she asked about ukraine. he ended the interview after a few questions. then he got mad at her. that happens in this town. he keeps dragging this out. she described the conversation because apparently there was no agreement it was off the record, and he issued a statement on state department letterhead accusing her of lying and berating her, saying the media has gone crazy, words to that effect. now the state department, apparently punitively, is banning another npr reporter from going on. and president trump just told mike pompeo, i think you did a good job on her, actually. i don't really understand why the secretary of state and the trump administration would continue to do this. she was just asking reasonable questions about ukraine. >> well, that's right, jake. first of all, i think it obviously is a clear escalation on the part of secretary of state pompeo, and i think in listening to that comment from

. >>> and now to this -- a national public radio reporter, mary louise kelly, with a fierce defense ofer that dustup with secretary of state mike pompeo. kelly writing in a "new york times" op-ed, there's a reason it matters that people in positions of power be held to account. the stakes are too high for their impulses and decisions not to be examined in as thoughtful and rigorous an interview as possible. she says pompeo shouted and swore at her after an interview where she questioned him about iran and the ukraine scandal. >> now pompeo claims kelly lied about the questions she would ask. emails appear to refute that claim. president trump has the secretary's back. >> florida reporter couldn't have done -- that reporter couldn't have done too good a job on you yesterday. think you did a good job on her actually. >> laughter in the room. journalists in the room looked at each other in disbelief in the back. again, this was a press briefing about middle east peace. the state department has yet to explain why a different npr reporter was removed from pompeo's travel pool for a trip he

. >>> and after secretary of state mike pompeo's spat with npr host mary louise kelly, the state departmentas removed a different npr reporter from the secretary's trip. the initial interview was a tense exchange with kelly repeatedly asking the secretary about the firing of un ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch. said pompeo launched out on her after she pressed him on that and other issues. he claimed he agreed only to talk about iran, attacked kelly saying she lied about the interview topics and their private encounter after the interview being off the record describing her actions as shameful, kelly said she never agreed to talk to secretary pompeo off the record. the state department's correspondence association responded days after secretary pompeo criticized the work of an npr host, the state department is retaliating against national public radio as a result of this exchange. in response, nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent tweeted this out saying previous secretaries have fought for press freedoms as a foundational principle around the world, what about here at home. the

president trump praised secretary of state mike pompeo for shouting and cursing at npr reporter mary louise kelly after an interview on friday. pres. trump: that is impressive. that was very impresessive. [laughter]r] that reporter could not have done too good of a job yesterday.y. i think you u did a a good job n her, actually. that's good. amy: in a "new york times" op-ed, kelly writes about how pompeo swore at her, called her a liar, and challenged her to find ukraine on a map p after se questitioned pompeo first about u.s. diplomacy with iran and then about the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch. kelly's npr colleague michele kelemen has now denied credentials to travel with pompeo on his visit to ukraine, which begins tomorrow. in more news on the media, "the washington post" has reinstated reporter felicia sonmez after she was suspended for tweeting a link to an article about the 2003 rape case against kobe bryant in the wake of his death in a helicopter crash. she has faced a slew of rate and death rates for tweeting the article. meanwhile, new details have emerged about t

in an interview with npr reporter mary louise kelly. >> i have defended every state department official. we've built a great team, the team that -- >> sir, respectfully, where have you defended marie yovanovitch? >> i've defended every single person on this team. >> can you point me toward her remarks where you have defended marie yovanovitch. >> i've said all i'm going to say today, thank you. >> afterwards kelly claims pompeo berated her demanding that she point out ukraine on the map. pompeo says she's another example of the unhinged media, news media. did she sound unhinged? >> no. >> she didn't sound unhinged, but maybe -- you know, maybe i misunderstood. i mean, does he still have credibility with the media because somebody will say, well, did this happen and he'll say no, it never happened. then like the next day they'll say, well actually, it did happen. so is this a surprise, and are you surprised that he wanted her to point out ukraine on the map? >> which she easily did by the way. >> yeah. although they issued a statement on

mary li mary louise kelly holds a degree from harvard.bridge in european history, so there's that, and then just this morning, mike pompeo your secretary of state released this statement. npr reporter mary louise kelly lied to me twice, first last month in setting up our interview and then again yesterday in agreeing to have our post-interview conversation off the record. it is shameful that this reporter chose to violate the basic rules of journalism and decency. this is another example of how unhinged the media has become in its quest to hurt president trump and this administration. it is no wonder that the american people distrust many in the media when they so consistently demonstrate their agenda and their absence of integrity. it is worth noting bangladesh is not ukraine. that's the secretary of state back into this room to our panel, chris matthews obviously a drive-by at the end there that she might have pointed to bangladesh. >> his arrogance about his superior knowledge of geography over a woman working for npr which is known to

nbr's mary louise kelly, greatly appreciate it. the cover of the "new york post." twitter a good bit yesterday. students refusing to walk on the american flag and the israeli flag that -- it's a good -- a good focus. there we go. students refusing -- i couldn't even say. see? this is an american flag here. that's the israeli flag, and the students, there's video all over the place, where students are refusing to walk on those flags. so, tom, i -- it seems to me the situation in iran is far more desperate for the leadership than it was in 2009. in 2009 it was really urban urbane protests from the iranians. more rural, more religious people in iran still supporting the regime. it's cutting across all demographic lines 11 years later. these protests started actually outside of tehran. but now are sweeping across the country. >> you know, i wonder what we'd be talking about if the iranians hadn't taken down that jetliner? because there was almost like a momentum that was building against trump, against the americans. even here in the united states we kind of -- as cong

mary louise kelly co-host of all things considered said pompeo went on an expletive-laced rant yellinghich she questioned him about ukraine. here's a portion of the interview where the veteran broadcaster asked pompeo if he owed an apology to the former ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch. >> people who worked for you in your department, people who have resigned from your department under your leadership saying you should stand up for the diplomats who work here. >> i don't know who the unnamed sources you refer to. i can tell you this -- >> this is not an unnamed source. this is senior adviser michael mckinley with four decades of experience who testified under oath that he resigned in part due to the failure of the state department for employees held up in the impeachment inquiry on ukraine. >> i'm not going to comment on things that mr. mckinley may have said. i will say only this, i have defended every state department official. >> sir, respectfully, where have you defended marie yovanovitch? >> >> i've defended every single person on the team. >> can you point me towards your

adding in the statement npr reporter mary louise kelly lied to me twice.st last month and setting up her interview and then again yesterday on the post interview conversation off the record. it is shameful that this reporter chose to violate the basic rules of journalism and decency". but kelly said she never agreed to any part of their meeting being off the record, she says of a journalist she never would have. arthel: one american university's taking a new approach to help veterans transition back to civilian life. up next to state-of-the-art facility at syracuse university and how we all can help those who serve. i don't see it. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ whwhat do you see?he world, we see patterns. relationships. when you use location technology, you can see where things happen, before they happen. with esri location technology, you can see what others can't. ♪ and wondering if that was the last time i was going to do that thing. i thought i'm not letting anything take me away from my family that loves me and ne

>> npr's mary louise kelly, a master class in how to interview a public official with her interview ofned professional. she brought receipts during that interview and she remained calm and collected not only in the face of his growing hostility, if you listen to the interview itself, but what she says she endured afterward, being called back, yelled at and sworn at by the secretary of state and having him bring out a map in an attempt to embarrass her, believing she couldn't pick out ukraine, she of course has a masters in european studies so i have no doubt she was able to pick it out. reporters can learn a lot about how to conduct an interview, even in the face of a lot of hostility coming from a public official. >> there was a local news reporter who did a similar thing and that showed you that mike pence -- mike pompeo is a bristly type of person, and these female reporters have been tough and he's not able to handle it. i wonder if he would have told a male reporter, i'm going to show you this map and show me ukraine on the map. i wonder if he or his boss can find ukraine on the m

and i think that was why you saw the sensitivity today with mary louise kelly, who is known to be an someone from npr half prepared. so mike pompeo, if he does have grander ambitions, he's going to have to get ready for this if he really is -- >> step it up. >> -- as ambitious as he seems to be. >> bill kristol, speaking of people taking offense, i'm going to play for you what adam schiff said in his kind of summation tonight in the senate that caused instant outrage among several of the republicans. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> cbs news reported last night that a trump confidant said that gop senators were warned, vote against your president, vote against the president and your head will be on a pike. i hope it's not true. i hope it's not true. but i was struck by the irony of the idea when we're talking about a president who would make himself a monarch, that whoever that was would use the terminology of a penalty that was imposed by a monarch, a head on a pike. >> bill kristol, it should be known, instantly tweeted that their heads were already too low in obedience to

mary louise kelly hosted all things considered said pompeo grew irritated after she asked him if he owed an apology to your bonney village who was recalled as the ambassador to recording. >> i have defended every state department official and we built a great team and a team that works here. >> respectfully you defended her? >> i defended every person on this team. i've done what's right for every person. >> after the interview she said he shouted at her in a meeting and demanded she point out ukraine on the unmarked map. the state department has not denied pompeo used profanity and pompeo said kelly lied when she said the interview would only cover e rock and that the first interview meeting would be off the record. kelly and npr disagreed said she never agreed to and offered the record discussion and said topics would include iraq and ukraine. >>> former california governor jerry brown said he was not consulted about an option of items linked to john f. kennedy that once belonged to his father for auction. it includes private letters from the president and jackie kennedy and lyndon joh

that story got a whole lot of attention, and now mary louise kelly is out with a new op-ed in "the newtimes" about her encounter with secretary of state. liar, thatled me a is not what bothers me." journalist -- if you want to read it, it is that nytimes. com/marylouisekelly. president trump made reference to it yesterday when he was recognizing the secretary of state for his work on the middle east peace plan. here is a little bit from that ceremony. --deo clip] >> >> that's impressive. that reporter couldn't have been too good of a job by you yesterday. i think you did a good job on her, actually. thank you, mike. are you running for senate? i guess the answer is no after that. they all want him to. kansas, great state. they want him to, but you are doing a great job. don't move. that event at the white house yesterday available on c-span.org. the senate trail resuming today at 1:00 eastern. your thoughts on what you heard with the defense wrapping up yesterday and what you would like senators to ask of both sides. democrats, republicans and independents. searchlight, nevada, this is

first of all, the host and reporter very esteemed foreign policy expert mary louise kelly from npr. emails to show that she did in her previous negotiations say she was not just going to ask about iran, she had just interviewed zarif three weeks ago and had been coming from the region and had studied european history at oxford or cambridge, i'm not sure which, but this is a real expert and acknowledged veteran and she had said she was going to ask about ukraine. that was clearly in the emails in the kind of negotiations before the interview. so not only did she devote most of the interview to iran and a series of very smart questions about iran, but then asked repeatedly about the fact that he has not defended marie yovanovitch on ukraine, his ambassador, which is an issue among the foreign service. it is a very big morale problem in the state department. she asked and he said i defend all of my people. she asked repeated will i give me an example where you defended ambassador yovanovitch and he could not answer that. and he then abruptly ended the interview. then she was called wit