joining to us listen and watch are james carville and republican strategist mary matalin.le bit of a lighter turn on this debt drama. first let's listen to the progressive christian group sojourners. they put up radio ads that target both republicans and democrats saying that, well, we'll listen. here's one targeting speaker boehner in his home state of ohio using scripture to make the case against certain kinds of spending cuts. >> the book of proverbs teaches that where there is no leadership, a nation falls. and the poor are shunned while the rich have many friends. sadly, congress has failed to heed these biblical warnings and our own representative boehner is ricking the health of our economy if america defaults on its debts. >> so you get the point of that. they have a similar ad up in kentucky where mitch mcconnell is from, and in nevada for leader reid. so james, who is the target audience for an ad like this? is it really a way -- what does it do? >> i'm not sure. i guess that michele bachmann said she is talking to god about run forg president. they have the chri

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the back door pretty soon. >> but the headline right now, at least over the past few minutes, mary matalinopen -- is suggesting that sarah palin is seriously considering a run for the white house. i'm not exaggerating, right, mary? >> i think she's giving signals that she's -- more than she has in the past. this is not about liking or not liking barack obama. this is not about the president. he continues to enjoy the likability numbers. he -- nobody likes his policy, not just conservatives. independents, and the debt ceiling argument right now is a good example to focus on the differences between the parties and sarah can articulate those differences as well as anybody in the field. >> when a deal -- if a better deal comes up, mary, all -- she will drop it and she will go back to selling books and tweeting. >> we'll see what she does, but she's on the cover of "newsweek" magazine right now, guys. thanks very much. >>> and as we've been reporting, president obama is pushing lawmakers to try to reach a deal. stand by for more on his strategy to raise the debt limit and whether default is rea