mary mccloud bethune. it was something with my life, a.l. lewis and dr. mary mccloud bethune, they're going to come down from glory and haunt me. suzanne: that's exactly what i was wonderly. what else the impact, that you had even at the dinner table, with your great-grandfather, bethune, and even in your young adulthood with dorothy. i mean, you had people who were mentors and heroes who were at your dinner table at some point. you had first access to those people. tchow that impact who you became as an educator? dr. cole: very strong influences. let me also say that my parents were atypical, and this will be a big plug for hbcu's. my parents each graduated from college. my mother went to morris brown as a high school student. she then went to wilbur forest college, now wilbur forest university. my father went to knoxville college in knoxville, tennessee. so again, i would have to be ashamed of myself, i'd have to divorce myself in f i hadn't taken all of that influence and done something with it. >> and that influence that brought you from fisk, you grad