it's great to see you, mary mccord, especially on a night like that. let me begin by asking this. part of what trump said was the idea of one bleaching or trying to shield evidence of wrongdoing in some respects. one could argue -- and certainly he will argue that he wasn't trying to shield wrongdoing or even evidence in a criminal sense. he was taking personal mementos. is that enough to sort of go around the requirements of the presidential records act? >> well, i think as you indicated in your opening, laura, it's really up to the archivist to determine what is a presidential record and what is a personal record. so the assumption essentially is that what you receive or create at the white house during your term as president will be reviewed by the archivist, and those that are personal records will be released to you, and those that are presidential records are actually the property of the united states, of the archivist, not your own personal property. so we don't know yet what is in those 15 boxes. the archivist will be reviewing those. there may be things in there that are