mary meg, thanks for joining us. i wonder first of all what goes through your mind when you hear secretary azar say that the administration is not only protecting these kids, but they're actually saving these children's lives? >> anderson, i'm very, very concerned about the rhetoric that we are hearing from this administration. number one, there is absolutely no transparency, and in fact, what i heard today is really demonizing these parents who were ripped from their children by this administration. this administration is taking absolutely no responsibility for the human rights violations that have occurred as a result of their actions and their practices. and they're changing their stories. the reason these children -- >> he did seem in this interview a lot -- in the interview, he seemed to be saying that a lot of the people weren't really their parents, they were murderers, they were rapists, and there must be these cases amongst these, but it did sound like he was making it sound as if that this was the majority