joining me now is former hennepin county public defender mary moriarty. mary, the jury deliberated for less than a day. we said somewhere around 11 hours. what do you make of this verdict and what could it mean for minneapolis and the country? >> after hearing closing arguments and the trial itself, i didn't expect that the jury would be out very long in fact, i thought that they would come back today. and that's because the state did an excellent job of presenting medical testimony, everything they needed, use of force testimony. and the defense really wasn't able to counter much of that in some respects, i think this is everything to this community right now. but in other respects it's just the first step people heard our chief, madeira arradondo, talk about his values, his ethics, which he very much believes in. he's a reformer. but we also know every day that cops like chauvin continue to engage in this kind of behavior. it just doesn't rise to the level that it did with george floyd. there's this gap between the aspiration and what happens day to day

and mary moriarty, the other group of people who have had a credibility issues are prosecutors.rs refuse to prosecute in cases like the mike brown case and cases like breonna taylor. prosecutors are under the spotlight too because we have this sense that white citizens are treated as citizens and black citizens are treated as subjects, and they police on them but not protect. coming from the point of view of the partners of the police, what do we need to do to get off of this dime? this is a not a place that is sustainable. >> remember that this case was taken away by the county prosecutor and given to the attorney general partly because of that very issue. i see potential for tremendous change here. our community -- this didn't start with george floyd, obviously. there's a history with the minneapolis police department, that people particularly in our black community have been trying to bring to the attention of police, policy officials, and it's been ignored for years and years and years. george floyd was like our ferguson moment. that was just kind of the eruption of all of t

mary moriarty and brian dunn, stick with us for the hour. when court resumes, we will return to minneapolis. that's roughly 2:30 today. >>> a cdc advisory committee is holding a meeting right now on the johnson & johnson vaccine. they were out in full force today trying to reassure americans that the coronavirus vaccines are safe despite the pause on j&j over cases ofblood clots in just six women. >> the fact that following the eua, we have continued to follow very carefully any possibility of adverse events, i believe, is the other side of the coin of hesitancy. it should reinforce in those individuals how we take safety so seriously. >> six women between the ages of 18 and 48 developed the unusual clots after receiving the j&j vaccine. one died and the other is in critical condition. again, the risk is extremely rare. about 1 in 1.1 million. still, the pause has resulted in a ripple effect around the globe, australia, south africa and several european countries have pulled the j&j vaccine from circulation and preemptively canceled future o

also with us, chief public defender for hennepin county mary moriarty and president and ceo of the naacp. mary, i want to talk about the charges -- or the conviction now for derek chauvin and the sentencing. it carries a certain standard sentence but the prosecution is asking for aggravated circumstances. the judge will rule on that. sometimes it's the jury, but chauvin waived the jury from doing that and it will now be the judge. what is your expectation of how he might rule? >> so, the guidelines sentence, the midrange is 150 months, which is about 12 1/2 years. aggravating factors, there are five of them. one is particular cruelty, one is the presence of minors. and there were some particular acts of cruelty here. what i think the judge will be doing is looking at the knorr case, a former police officer who shot and killed a woman here in minneapolis. that's really the only case for comparison and he got 12 1/2 years and that was on third-degree murder. if you look at his actions compared to chauvin's, i think most people would agree that chauvin's were much more egregious. i expect t

mary moriarti, paul henderson. mary, as i mentioned in the last break, dr. langenfeld is the doctor who pronounced george floyd dead. he walked us through what he remembered from that night. he talked about the information he received from the paramedics who brought floyd to the hospital. this is part of his testimony. >> what the paramedics told you when they brought in mr. floyd, did they also give you information when they brought mr. floyd in? >> they did. they essentially gave the report that i just told you, yes. >> did they say to you for purposes of caring or giving treatment to mr. floyd that they felt he had suffered a drug overdose? >> not in the information they gave, no. >> did they tell you in the information they gave that they felt that mr. floyd had had a heart attack? >> no. >> mary, that seemed significant to me. what did you make of that portion of his testimony? >> i think it's extremely significant, because you had the two paramedics who were the medical experts in the field handing off a patient who is in full cardiac arrest to the tre

attorney joyce vance and former defender mary moriarty. gabe, you always come to us with interesting comments about how the jury is taking in the information. i know yesterday was a bit of a dryer day and the jury got antsy. what is the latest on their level of attentiveness today? >> reporter: hi there, katy. apparently today, as you mentioned, one of the jurors yesterday at one point appeared to be sleeping, several others were yawning. today, though, they seemed to be paying attention for the most part. even though the testimony has been, as you mentioned, dryer than it was several days ago and last week, getting innocent testimony from bystanders. what i did notice today is, as you mentioned in your open, a more aggressive line of questioning, cross examination by the defense, and we're really starting to see the defense's argument take shape here with the defense attorney eric nelson continuing to hammer that point that some legal experts are wondering how this will land with the jury about the bystanders, that some of that crowd dist

joining us now is mary moriarty prosecutor where the trial is taking place. and sonya cruet, she's also the founder of the black police experience and a member of the law enforcement action partnership. great to have both of you with us. mary, i'll begin with you, let's talk about the charges against the former officer there kim potter. what are the next steps in the process after her hearing today? >> she made her first appearance which is really brief. it's just an appearance in front of the judge who will probably keep the case. she's asked if she understands what she's charged with. they talk about bail, any conditions. and that's pretty much it. that's normal for first appearances in minnesota. her next appearance will be what's called a pretrial or probable cause/pretrial. that's an opportunity for parties to sit down and talk about the case. although i'm sure there will be conversations before then. if they do not settle the case at pretrial, they can continue the pretrial or set it for a jury trial. >> we have seen an incredible transformation, kim po

i want to bring in mary moriarti.ve director for the san francisco director of police accountability. thank you and good morning to you both. as we look ahead to upcoming witnesses, you made an interesting argument, the testimony that we saw in the last 24 hours put more pressure on chauvin himself to take the stand, why? >> we're seeing more and more from chauvin that's not getting explained. we see him with a infamous smirk. we see him with hands in his pockets, not appearing that he is in danger or concerned about an unruly crowd. now we're hearing him as characterizing george floyd as going crazy and resisting. i think he needs to explain that. it would be a really risky move for defense to have to put him on the stand, but very smart to plant the seeds and interpret what he was doing at that time as that location and being interpreted by the witnesses that we have seen so far and they have been very powerful and they're planting the seeds not just for chauvin but also for the other officers waiting in the wings w

. >> david henderson and mary moriarty, you guys are sticking around. gabe gutierrez and paul butler, thank you. let's listen to the questions about the car. >> i see nothing in the question and answer statement that mr. hall's statement had any amount of untrustiworthiness. this defense does have a right to a complete defense, but since there are witnesses who can testify to what and have testified to what mr. floyd looked like at the time, i don't think that the rules of evidence must give way completely to any claim of the defensiveness necessary for a complete defense. i find it accordingly is not admissible. any questions about that ruling from the state or the defense? all right. we have other housekeeping things, but we'll handle those after the jury unless you want to take care of some of those now. we'll be done before 4:00, is that correct? why don't we deal with the housekeeping things afterwards? we'll be in recess until the jury is ready. >> they're going to go into recess for five minutes. they were just talking about morris hall. i'd like

someone who, in conversations that i have, for example, with the former chief public defender, mary moriartye came into office, he wanted to change this department from one of a warrior mentality to a guardian mentality. and i think that article you saw there reflected the frustration and the gap between what his vision is and what people in the community believe the police department is doing right now. he's very clear. he respects the sanctity of life. he wants that guardian mentality from his officers. but he is also open, and i think he would be one of the first to tell you that his department has not reached that vision just yet. and i think that is the gap and that's the frustration that was reflected in that article, the idea that he was talking about a department and about training policies that are not recognized by members of the community, at least just yet. despite his best efforts. >> and finally, shaq, what should we expect from the trial next week? i believe the prosecution is really close to wrapping up their case. like, monday, tuesday, they might rest their case. is that it

morgan chesky, shaquille brewster and mary moriarty, hennepin county's chief public defender. i turn to you first. another night of public protest and arrests and the officer being charged. what can you tell us? >> steph, good morning. 24 protests overnight after the fourth night in a row of demonstrations right here in front of the brooklyn center police department. we know the numbers grew over a couple hundred before 10:00, when the curfew was in effect. and we had hundreds of police and state patrol officers converge on the scene. we did not see the tear gas used last night as in prior nights. i think it's important to note the mayor of brooklyn center had gone on record saying he did not believe it was a main way to treat protesters. as a result of a small demonstrations we had seen. and as far as kim potter goes, yesterday she turned herself in on the charges of second degree manslaughter. the maximum fine is ten years. we already from the family of daunte wright in response to this. they say this was not good enough for what was clearly in their eyes an intentional act

let's bring in mary moriarty, the former chief public defender of hennepin county, where derek chauvin that we have the chief of police testifying for the prosecution. it is very significant. his name is medaria arrandondo, which is why everybody refers to him as his nickname rondo, but he has not only talked about policy, but the values of the department and what he values in terms of the relationships of the minneapolis police department with the community. was very definitive that this exceeded many of their policies and in court he is not going to be asked his opinion about whether chauvin violated the law, that will be asked of the jurors, but one of the defence argument is that chauvin was following policies and doing what he was trained to do and doing what he was trained to do and chief medaria arrandondo today said that was not true. so that is very significant.— very significant. right at the beginning — very significant. right at the beginning of— very significant. right at the beginning of the _ very significant. right at the beginning of the trial, - very significant. righ

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