>> i was surprised to see both gina mccarthy and marry nichols -- mary nichols talk about how convention algas lean engines are going to continue to dominate what automakers make throughout the world. nichols said electric cars will do very little -- or the regulations will do very little to push in the direction of electric cars. even going through up to close to 2025. so with that said, what do you think -- what other incentives do you think automakers and the industry as a whole would need in order to get electric cars and other alternatives, alternatively-fueled vehicles into the market more? i think it seems right now he can trick cars and anything other than gasoline-fueled cars, their biggest competition is each other. that's the biggest competition for these full electric cars. soft what do you think is going to be needed to get electric car past that hutch of where it's -- hump of where it's top competitors are each other because they can't compete with the gasoline-fueled cars? >> if i may, i think, first of all, especially here in washington what we need to talk about is, um,

mary nichols, chairman air resources board. our moderator will be china leven, correspondent. font has covered patch of regulation for dow jones newswire and "the wall street journal" as an alumnus does columnists daily, now a national journey daily. now a reminder to everyone in the rim and viewing us the string that we welcome your comments, questions and that the atwitter hash tag n. jay otto summit. we will come around handheld microphones for q&a during the question-and-answer portion of this event. fawn, i will turn it over to you. hi back [applause] [inaudible] >> -- i'm going to start the gina mccarthy from epa. thank you for being here. if you can give us an update for 2012 through 2016. in 2025 would be helpful as well. >> first of all, thank you for pulling this together. it's an exciting week in an opportunity for us to revisit what we've accomplished over the last few years. bush's take a look. 2012 to 2016 is the first phase of the president's national car program that extends out to 2025. during that period of time to essentially double fuel economy up to 54.5 m

gina mccarthy, assistant administrator, epa, mary nichols, chairman, california air resources board. our moderator for this panel will be fawn johnson a correspondent for "national journal." she pray praised the covered financial regulation and telecommunications for dow jones newswire and "the wall street journal." and is an alumnus. once again just a reminder to everyone in the room and viewing via live stream, we welcome your comments, your questions and your thoughts via twitter, #njautosummit. fawn, i will turn it over to you. [applause] >> i want to thank our panel for participating. [inaudible] we really appreciate you sticking around. i'm going to start the question -- thank you for being here. if you can just give us a quick update on the greenhouse vehicle standards for 2012-2016, but if you want to project out to 2025, that would be helpful as well. >> first of all, thank you for pulling this together. it's been an exciting week, and it's an opportunity for us i think to revisit what was accomplished over the past few years. let's just take a look, 2012-2016 is the first p