you learn about language, so i think it's the perfect book for word nerds, between mow and me by mary norris, anybody who's interested in books, anyone who's interested in words. it's just a fantastic read. >> host: is mr. simpson in favor of this democratization of language? >> guest: absolutely. i mean, i think one of the things that's great about the memoir is his description of himself coming to oxford as very much an outsider. he was not an oxford or cambridge-trained lexicographer, he wasn't from that class or that world. and realizing the extent to which the dictionary had been shaped by upper middle class readers because, of course, the types of people who have time to read and send in index cards are people who don't necessarily spend a lot of time working. so the dictionary had been shaped by these people who read milton and tennyson and maybe occasionally a middle brow detective novel. but it was very white, very male and very british. he really forces, and this is long before the dictionary starts going online, forces the dictionary into the modern age. he gets interested in maga

it was really a treat to readad john norris is a book about mary. john norris is the executive director of the sustainable security and peace building initiatives at the american progress, so that's long enough i just wanted to read that. he's been offer as well as a policy guy. is been published in the "washington post" and political and elsewhere. he had to go through 166 offices of mary mcgrory's papers in the congressional archives at the library of congress, and interviewed countless people. he had a lot more resources than marlene had when she was starting her book. john norris, welcome, thank you and tell us more about mary mcgrory. >> it's a pleasure to be here today.ore it's great to be -- too happy with marlene. the subjects of our biographies. have a lot in common once you do second of it. by almost any accounting of mary mcgrory was one of the mostou important journalists of the last 100 years. she was the first woman to win a pulitzer prize for commentary. her columns appeared in 200 papers around the country for the better part of a hal

please check john norris hold it up please about crime, journalist mary, john is at twitter welcome at john underbar 8 underbar norris on twitter and the book about mary the delightful read about history and journalism. and marlene is at marlene trestman on twitter about bessy will inspire you, and cause us to all be indebted for places that we are now injustice in our labor law, and elsewhere because of her long career. so check out their book. check them out on social media. co check them out on social media. next year to the book fast on instagram and twitter and come here in person. if you you are not here personnel, maryland is a great place to visit. book. thank you to you, thanks to c-span and thanks to jonathan noris. ♪ [applause]. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> this is the tv on c-span2, television for serious readers. cures are primetime lineup: tonight starting at 6:15 p.m. jeremy's cahill and staff members of the intercept report on the us government drone warfare program. at 8:00 p.m., mary roach talks to her book, grind the curious science of human