mary robinson, former president of ireland and member of the elders, thank you for being with us on bbc were at the funeral service for president jimmy carter this morning. what did you make of it? we were watching here but what was it like being in the cathedral? mary: i thought it was both a very moving and exceptionally well done. as i joked, ireland does funerals well. we now, this was very well done. very heartfelt, very religious, which it should be, for a very religious, deeply believing dan. in the music was superb. each speak -- speech spoke about aspects of his life and send messages that was good to hear. caitriona: the former president designs this service himself and selected those pastors from -- passenger -- passages from the bible. what was that message you think he was trying to deliver? fmr. pres. robinson: i think it was a message of somebody who had lived a very good, thoughtful, decent life, and who wanted the music to reflect that the strong religious messages. but also messages about human rights. about gender equality. about tackling racism. they were the tribute

knew that nelson mandela very much wanted him to be part of the elders alongside kofi annan and mary robinson and others. um, but, uh, you know, he decided that he could change the approach slightly, and he and archbishop tutu sat under a palm tree. uh, they they drafted, uh, a wonderful statement, sort of setting out, uh, what the elders mission should be. and, and he then worked diligently for 20 years and making making it become a reality and trying to make sure that the elders, um, really work behind the scenes and made a very, very big difference in the world, which which they did. and amusingly, archbishop tutu was, uh, president and, you know, was chairman of the elders for a while. and he, he liked to get up a little bit later and say his prayers. and president carter always wanted to be start the meetings at 7:00 in the morning. and they had friendly banter about about that. i think on that one. um, there was a compromise, and i think we started the meetings at 8:00 in the morning. >> we're going to hear so much about, um, president carter as a peacemaker, as a as a hero, as an icon.