well, mary schiavo is a former inspector general with the u.s. department of transportation and an expert of airline safety issues and also the awe shor of the bestseller "flying blind, flying safe." mary schiavo joins us from detroit on this story. thank you for joining us. let's start certainly with the top of the mind subject, abdulmutallab. how was he able to get so far? >> he was able to get so far because we have lots of people involved in security and a lot of watch lists. unfortunately, because we have four different watch lists and they're progressively more alampling, he did not make it onto the most alarming one, the do not fly list. before that, there's a secondary screen list, about 14,000 names on that, and beyond that there's a 400,000 name list and a 500,000 name list. he simply did not make it onto the no fly list, although he should have been, and that's an executive department function, a law enforcement function, and they did not coordinate. >> mary, people at home, critics will say, wait, his father went to a u.s. embassy to