host: we're talking with mary schiavo. she served as the inspect o of transportation and currently a partner at the law firm motley rice. another theory is that the pilot was able to lower the plane that would allow him to kill off the passengers while he was able to keep the plane airborne. do you buy that theory? guest: no. this is why i don't buy that theory. the planes are pressurized and the last event where they knew everything was fine when he said hurt, good night. the plane was at 35,000 feet which means it's pressurized. if you had a rapid depressurizing event, the pilots have in the cockpit emergency oxygen equipment but at 35,000 feet they have 30 seconds or less to get that on before they start getting disoriented. after that it's hard to think and eventually you die in pretty short order. but what happens is they pout on the oxygen masks and it would drop for the passengers. if the pilot went down to 35,000 feet, this is still -- you would live, but not long, and depressurized the plane so you don't have oxyg

miles o'brien and mary schiavo.vid there on the break about quite an interesting new thought process i think about an established thing, which is if the plane flew at 12,000 feet, the presumption is being that they would have burned off too much fuel too quickly to have got to where the site is. you now believe it would have been possible. >> exactly right, piers. i looked at the numbers. and just my experience in flying jet airplanes i said there's just no way. but i looked at the numbers and confirmed it with a really good boeing source. and this gentleman came back and said, i see what you see. and it's very possible. >> david, you've had the same conversations with people which also suggest this could have been possible, this plane could have been flying at 12,000 feet and ended up -- >> i also independently confirmed his numbers were correct and thought is possible. >> okay. mary schiavo, taking that into account, and taking into account the renewed focus now on the pilot and copilot, obviously we have to make

back with me are richard quest, jim tilmon, jeff wise, mary schiavo, jeff beatty.t is an interesting question. is it possible that mh 370 went west to africa, in particular, somalia. let's ask david stupples. >> i don't think it had enough fuel to reach somalia and it would have been tracked. >> jim tilmon could a passenger with a laptop hack into the cockpit computer? >> no. i don't think so. >> a question for mary here. from sarah. could the disappearance of flight 370 be government related? >> well, a hostile government possibly, yes. they would have means. >> jeff wise, did they search the flight path or automatically think it went across the world? that is from thomas tompkins. >> i don't understand the question. >> what are the possibility that this is a black hole? there are conspiracy theories about that. you never know, it could have landed in myanmar. mary schiavo? >> we don't have a lot of pings to go on. if it's near the flight path it's possible. we have a few data points. >> jeff beatty i would say they are hijacked and if they are on board the family

mary schiavo, you want to respond to that? >> yes, they also said they had provided coordinates, more exact coordinates where they believed that something happened the day the plane went missing and provided those coordinates two days later to the malaysian authorities and it was close to where they were looking but they knew this two days after the accident. >> arthur rosenberg? >> that would be inconsistent with the theory that jeff is trying to advance here, which takes you to the northern route. i think there's a lot of credence to that. the route over myanmar and bangladesh and nepal, that's an area of substantial interest. >> jeff beatty? >> well, i don't disagree, because early on we were looking at the northern route. i think it just has to stay on the table. >> you don't necessarily agree? >> i still -- the southern route still seems to be the most preferable one. and i'm still looking for the experts to be drilling down on those pings. they're already at the extremity of what these satellites were ever intended to be

mary schiavo made the comment early on that she would like to have something physical, something tangiblehold on to base a lot of our opinions. >> i want to ask mary scholley this -- captain bobby scholley this. we're talking about the family members here and the search for the family members, the possibility of finding wreckage, you said verily slim but in the conditions of those waters, family members are wanting something, hopefully the bodies of their families. what are the odds of that, sadly? >> you know, in my experience and mine is based on twa-800, but? my experience that is one of the main priorities is to bring back the loved ones. we looked for the black box and the next is to bring back the loved ones. >> now they are saying this is not a rescue effort. it's a recovery effort. that causes a lot of hope for that happening. >> yes. when i say their loved ones, i meant to bring the loved ones back to bury. it's a recovery operation. and even with this aircraft, even if this depth of water we bring in a r.o.v., a remote operated vehicle. i believe they did the same thing in the a

mary schiavo, do you get the gist of my question?m trying to figure out whost steering the airplane at this point. again, we're just gleani ining information from the latest information we have gotten here from sources who are close to the investigation about this military radar, saying that the plane dropped to an altitude of 12,000 feet. so if there is, indeed, something catastrophic that happened onboard, i'm trying to figure out who, indeed, would be in control of the airplane and whether or not this airplane would end up over -- why it would end up over the indian ocean where we're looking or would it be in the strait of malaka. do you understand what i'm saying? >> right. and in some previous ones, for example, in helios, they had entered a holding pattern and the plane continued to do the holding pattern. the plane just continued to do that. and go around in the holding pattern. payne stewart it kept the last known heading. in both cases autopilot. in both cases the plane looked for its last instructions and followed them. >>

we are joined by mary schiavo and former inspector general of the u.s. department of transportation. rob mccallum, a 30-year veteran of ocean exploration, specialty is deep watt der searches and seth caplan is managing partner of "airline weekly," an industry trade publication. mary, i am going to start with you. what should they be looking for and where should they be looking? >> they need to look at the airline, the pilots, to look for motives and clues and where they might have been ed hadded and what they might have been doing and even if they have the right suspects in mind. then, those clues would probably help them to narrow in the search areas. because, without motive and some kind of indication of what they were really planning, it is difficult as everybody is realizing, to search the earth. i that i will help. >> the malaysians appears, they are getting a lot of criticism, to be less than forthcoming about this investigation. have they hampered their own investigation? >> it is difficult to say what they have done up until now. i was personally

just as we don't have real solid evidence of this -- of this descent. >> i'm watching mary schiavo. mary, seems like you want to weigh in here. go ahead. >> yes. and one of the previous guests said, mentioned the value jet flight situation. they had three minutes and they communicated. there's a flip side. they had three minutes, and their last communication was we're on fire. we're completely on fire. but they didn't get on their smoke hoods, on their oxygen masks. and so they made a choice. they were fighting and communicating. but then they didn't do the one thing that would have given them some oxygen. it wouldn't have made a difference. i'm not criticizing those poor pilots at all. but they didn't put on their masks. >> okay. great analysis. thank you very much from everyone. also mitchell cosada, martin savidge. stand by. we're going to be back with our breaking news right here on cnn right after a very quick break. ♪ ♪ so you can get out of your element. so you can explore a new frontier and a different discipline. get two times the points on travel and dining at restaurants f

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joining me is jim sciutto and richard quest and mary schiavo. mary now represents victims of negligence by transportation companies, including airlines. jeff beatty and arthur ross senburg. i want to start with this. this is from meredith. she says, is it realistic that a fire incapacitated the pilots but the plane remained operational for hours? jeff, the smoke in the cabin theory has been a big one today but you don't like that do you, jeff weiss? >> no. the idea that they were incapacitated, turned to the left and looked for a runway, the problem is that they flew past it and then proceeded to engage in a series of very precise maneuvers heading over these waypoints in the sky and followed the zigzag pattern that incapacitated pilot could not have done. the other problem is that if they had just become incapacitated and headed towards lan could you wee and headed into the horizon until their fuel ran out, they would have wound up near the horn of africa or something. they would not have ended up in the south indian ocean. so on two counts at l

mary schiavo can be followed on twitter@mary schiavo and currently a partner at the firm to motley riceoining us on this sunday from charleston, south carolina, if you so much for adding your expertise to this story. we appreciate it. >> thank you. host: we continue this sunday morning. we're going to turn our tonings to our attention to politics and the koch brothers. dave levinthal from the center of public integrity will be joining us and at georgetown university, she has a piece this morning in "the washington post" and will be joining us to talk about what motivates russian president putin. meanwhile, on the road as we look at the history and literary life of florida's capital city, tallahassee. today at 2:00 eastern time on c-span 3's american history tv. you can catch one of our history seg means including this look at mission st. luis. here's a look. >> the circular plaza here at the mission of st. luis is the center of town and all are organized around this plaza. the three main ingredients if you will of the life of the village. the council house of the native americans and th

cnn aviation analyst and mary schiavo. david funk, a pilot and former international captain for northwest airlines. so an expert panel covering all bases here. phillip balm, let me start with you. we'll come to this development in the search area a little later. but in terms of lessons learned, if we think back to the air france 447 crash, have we really acted on the lessons that we learned from that? how can a plane -- this is what many people say to me. how can a plane just disappear in the modern age, particularly following incidents like the air france 447 crash? >> well, it is indeed absolute i baffling. and until we find the aircraft and find out what went wrong we won't really know. if we go back two weeks in the investigation, w had the malaysians coming out and saying there was a deliberate act that took place aboard the flight tech of that aircraft. and we need to better understand that act in order to try to prevent it happening again. but the important thing from an aviation security perspective, because if we

i think, you know, we have to proceed and keep a grain of salt handy for this one. >> mary schiavo isknow, the satellite images and this is now to count, the fourth object that in the scope of the last 15 days since the flight has appeared and has been found, do you have any concerns or fears that we're just on a wild goose chase and maybe we're looking in the wrong area that we have abandoned other areas that deserve some attention? >> well, no, for a few reasons. yesterday or two days ago, in mar-sat, the company that released the images out of great britain. they released information two days after what would have been the crash of the plane if it crashed in that area. that something was there. that there was something there in the area where the debris would have migrated from. i think they are searching in the right place and regardless of what the size of the image they have, i agree, this sounds a little big. previous sightings would have fit a wing size. these are composite wings and sealed on the inside. remember there is a fuel tank. i was hoping it was a wing. this may be t

mary schiavo. and david gallo co-leader of the search for air france flight 447. he's director of special projects at the ocean graphic institution. david, what do you make of the debris that we have seen so far, david souci, i mean the size of it. ones vees obviously the images getting are not very precise. >> if the satellite's going to be over the top it will be clear rather than oblique angle. when they talk about repositioning the satellites that gives you a better picture of it. as far as the debris goes, i ha hesitations about it. i can't get it out of my mind, the dimension, 80 feet is the size of a shipping container. they come in 20, 40 and 80-foot lengths. i can't get it out of my mind that shadow of doubt. >> this is also the part of world where ships wreck, where containers fall over because of bad weather. it would not be totally uncommon to have a shipping container in the water. >> not only that but that channel where those two convergences come together is a gathering area for that kind of debris as well. i have my hesitations about it as well. >>

first with you, mary schiavo.ng listen, this could take two years if not more and he believes we've lost the opportunity to hear the pinging on the black boxes. >> well, we may have. but on his idea that it could take two years or more, actually the average aviation investigation takes about 3.5 years, so he was being conservative. >> michael kay? >> yeah, i think one of the big problems we've got here is that the accuracy of the search operation is predominantly based on assumptions. we know from the data that we've got the distance and the arc. what we don't know is how far down the arc south that it's gone. and what is fueling this information is assumptions based information. to it's distance, it's track, it's also altitude, and it's speed. but they're all based on conflicting evidence as what we've seen. we don't know what happened after that last transponder ping. we don't know what track it took. we don't know how high it was. we don't know what speed it was. so what they're having to do is they're having t

latest on the investigation with cnn aviation analysis and former inspector general transportation mary schiavond author of "why planes crash" david suchi. >> this morning, a chinese plane was able to spot objects. is this a promising lead. we'll start with you, mary. >> well, it is a promising lead, but they have to close this out with the next step which is getting that on board a ship and to be analyzed that's it's part of the plane. and then looking at clues. every part as a potential to have clues. sufficient as how it crashed. any residue, is there any burning. all that will reveal the clues. the sightings and where we start, the examination is really what we want to do on those parts. >> david, let me ask you, are their analysts on these ships who can look at things as they retrieve them? or do they just collect them and get them back to people who will analyze them on shore at australia? >> they can transmit the photographs, so what they're expecting to get the photographs, of course, from the aircraft. once they've locateded a piece of debris, they'll take photographs that the point. i

back with me mary schiavo, richard quest, david soucie. so since 1991, there's a list that the faa has here. 23 years. only 141 incidents. and we know there was a big ups plane that went down as a result of this. but richard, most of these are trivial. >> not only are they trivial, they didn't even happen on the plane. most of them are either in the sorting area, the presorting, being loaded on to the plane, and they all really concern fairly substantial numbers of lithium ion batteries. usually for one of the major companies the upss or the fed-exs. the number of occasions where for example in 2011, delta airlines passenger's device became very hot and the plastic started to melt. but the number of those sort of incidents are really quite small. >> and if it was to burst into flames, let's say even a pallet of lithium batteries to explode. this is a state-of-the-art fire sues premise te suppression sys? >> the interesting thing about lithium they have the capability of reigniting. so even though that happens, as soon as it restabilizes it

mary schiavo and david gallo, so leader of the search for air france 447, director of special projects. and jeff beatty is a former fbi/cia intel support officer with years of experience. good to have you here this evening, as well. you see that large object, as much as 79 feet long, could that be an actual piece of the aircraft? >> yeah, absolutely. and to me, that looks like it could be the wing because it's much too big to be the vertical stabilizer as in the previous accidents of american 587 and then air france 447. it's possible, if it's a 78-foot piece, it's a wing. >> given the resolution isn't clear, there are those who said it could be several pieces that are tied together or strung together. >> of course. i'm saying it's the wing by virtue of the fact that it's got empty cavities and the center tank fuel probably was not filled up. >> david, there is reason to be skeptical about all this, given the rough nature of the ocean in this area. could a piece this big be there after an accident so long? >> sure, if it's buoyant and closed off to the ocean, i don't think that's beyon

back with me mary schiavo, richard quest, david soucie.so since 1991, there's a list that the faa has here. 23 years. only 141 incidents. and we know there was a big ups plane that went down as a result of this. but richard, most of these are trivial. >> not only are they trivial, they didn't even happen on the plane. most of them are either in the sorting area, the presorting, being loaded on to the plane, and they all really concern fairly substantial numbers of lithium ion batteries. usually for one of the major companies the upss or the fed-exs. the number of occasions where for example in 2011, delta airlines passenger's device became very hot and the plastic started to melt. but the number of those sort of incidents are really quite small. >> and if it was to burst into flames, let's say even a pallet of lithium batteries to explode. this is a state-of-the-art fire sues suppression system? >> the interesting thing about lithium they have the capability of reigniting. so even though that happens, as soon as it restabilizes it could re

cnn analyst, aviation analyst mary schiavo. and jim tilmon. i want to pose this to everyone. ary, i want you to answer first. i got an e-mail from someone who i believe is a pilot here, former military. says malaysia air, southern ark into the indian ocean has one interesting possibility, dan. there's an airport nearby there, probably also fuel may be an option. what are the chances? >> well, if it's in the range for the fuel that was onboard in the plane, which the aircraft has a range of 7,250 miles. if that airport is there, it's an option. to refuel the plane, it's 45,000 gallons of jet "a" so would have to be an airport with a big jet fuel tank. but, you know, if it's within that range, then they could make it. >> so, listen, to that term, someone else who's a military friend of mine says, don, tell your graphics guy to overlay common shipping lanes and aviation routes in the indian ocean which goes along with what this person is saying. >> yes, there are a lot of those strips. mary, you know this well and you do. there are a lot of those strips that were built by the u.s

pilot keith wolzinger and mary schiavo.t's ask about this flight simulator in the captain's home. a guy with 15, 18,000 hours of experience. is that common? >> i wouldn't say it's common. but somebody that's that enthusiastic about flying, i could see it, yes. >> i guess they searched this, mary. and from what we understand from american sources there was nothing on the hard drives to indicate anything nefarious, just maybe practicing new landing patterns at different air strips around the southeast asia. >> and as i understand it, and nothing else, either, e-mails, lifestyle, bank accounts, life insurance, you name it. that would be expected. because on 9/11 one of the things including the messages in training the hijackers, they were supposed to avoid the limelight. they were supposed to be on the down low. this guy had videos on youtube. so it didn't fit sort of a traditional kind of airline terrorist. >> yeah. he seems like just a pure enthusiast, 53 years old, three grown children. how many investigations were you invo

mary schiavo. retired captain bobby scully, former navy diver. miles o'brien, cnn analyst and pilot. good to see you guys. mary, coming off a day when a search team reported promising leads, specifically the sighting of those orange objects, given your experience and from what we're being told do you see this as promising as well? >> well, i hope to be able to see it as promising. the chuts are yellow and the life rafts are usually yellow, the life safety vests are usually yellow on the plane. but they don't have to be yellow. and i'm just hoping that perhaps malaysia had replaced them and theirs are orange and that's what this is. so i'm optimistic but i'm keeping my fingers crossed just in case it's -- they have to keep looking elsewhere. >> cautious optimism, i would imagine your thinking there. >> yes. >> bobbi, as a diver, what do you make of this new report? we're learning there's so much trash and debris out there. is it worth it to get our hopes up when we hear about something like this every single time? >> well, we have to stay optimisti

air defense systems in india and iran and pakistan are very, very sensitive and very complex. >> mary schiavo fuel starvation. those are your two problems to overcome. >> mary is very -- she's like, weight turbulence and fuel starvation. very decided about that. to christine, i keep reaching for my glasses and i can't find my glasses. christine, let's talk about this one. this one talks about depressurization and what would happen below. this is from neshua, if there is a catastrophic depressurization before the turn, why aren't we searching for cabin degree below the turn? >> well, as i understand it, at the moment now they are potentially looking -- or they will be looking in the south china sea, but they -- looking initially. i think that's where they originally sent the search crew out. there was no debris that was discovered earlier on in that area. and so they have been able to find debris further south. this is why we're concentrating in this area. i think they have been looking for debris on the ocean and, again, these radar images that maybe several days old at this point is what the

that's why i want to bring in our aviation expert mary schiavo right now. with me a blackberry and i sometimes have an iphone. we can watch streaming video from the space station with these devices. i can turn on a coffeemaker from here in my home. and we can also jail a killer based on his movements in the night because he or she is carrying a telephone. and we can't find a plane. can you explain to these viewers of ours how that's possible? >> yes. you make an excellent point. it's possible because the technology in the black box -- black boxes. although very good at protecting the black box and the data they're on and over the years we've expanded the parameters, the things, the bits of data we save into the thousands. but what we did not do and have not required because -- and i'll tell you the groups who have objected, because some groups have objected is because we don't require that data to be continuously downloaded or downloaded at certain times during a flight, for example every 30 minutes. or after a flight, before the next takeoff you start it an

let's bring back mary schiavo and dr. bob arnott.eaming information full-time. couldn't that be turned off as well? >> well, it is a really great question. the only reason we know where this aircraft may be today is there were systems on that airplane that couldn't be turned off and weren't turned off. those were out on the enjints that had engine information that could have been transmitted. these are autonomous systems. the black box is autonomous. the pilots and co-pilots can't get at it and can't turn it off. it would be autonomous real-time streaming that would allow us to look at all of these which are critical to accident prevention. if we see pilots too slow or not applying enough power on takeoff, you can take corrective actions before there is an accident. >> mary, here is another question. why don't we put it to you. why was the malaysian mh-370 not detected by the diego garcia u.s. naval and intelligence basis in the u.s. and indian ocean. >> that particular facilityin i supposed to be watching and listening. it is unders

mary schiavo is here, representing accident victims and their families. les, the transcript of these communications, the 54 minutes, does anything jump out at you? again, there is some language issues, but you have to consider it was translated from english to mandarin to english. >> right. and it's a very abridged version. you don't get all the transmissions to other aircraft in between. so terminology we use is situational awareness. there's a lot of things deleted or left out. the translation, like you mentioned, anderson, it's difficult even clearances that normally would be responded to in a standard way aren't translated properly. >> this final communication that some people have focused on, the casualness of it, does that -- is that common? does that count as casual language? >> well, yeah, it's nonstandard. but that frequency is probably used all the time and the controllers know that the pilots know and vice versa. >> so technically, the co-pilot should have reread ho chi minh city, 120.9. >> yes, but they've probably done this hundreds of times

. >> reporter: mary schiavo is former inspector general from the department of transportation.er experts agree, something catastrophic happened. authorities in asia and the u.s. say there's no evidence yet to say the malaysia airlines flight is connected to terrorism. the boeing jet is known as the toughest twin intercontinental aircraft ever made. but flight 370 did have one past problem. this is the right wing of the plane. august 9th, 2012, it collides on the tarmac with the tail of a china eastern plane in shanghai. again, a possible clue in this mystery. the answer is with what's left of flight 370, wherever it's found. a hard truth for the families waiting, like the brothers of passenger phillip wood. >> you know, we know as much as everyone else. just seems to -- it seems to be getting more bizarre, you know, that the twists in the story, where they can't find anything. so we're just relying on faith. >> reporter: kyung lah cnn, los angeles. >> so what happens next? while searching for this plane? what happens if they never find anything? is that possible? i'm going to t

mary schiavo, stand by. everyone stand by. i want to go live now to kuala lumpur. we'll get there in a little bit. mary, let's follow up on what richard quest just said. you wouldn't have the prime minister coming out if they didn't think that this was a very strong development. >> i think that's true. >>> there have been so much false leads and starts and backtracking in the investigation, i think that is exactly right. he wouldn't have come forward and said if they were not fairly certain. so i'm encouraged that perhaps this will be the break that we need. but i agree you wouldn't have the president of the united states come forward and say anything unless his advisers were sure. >> mary, thank you very much, it is midnight here in the united states, it is noon in perth, australia, close to where they believe two objects have been found in relation

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we have mary see schiavo, formerly with the ntsb. rick gillespie, airplane recovery consultant and author of "finding amelia." kip darby is head of his own aviation firm and cnn safety analyst david soucy. good to have you all here. a meeting of the minds. today we have new developments. mary, just on this news that malaysian authorities said today about data coming from that cockpit, because you remember a little more than a week ago there were reports, indications that that turn to the west after the plane lost contact might have been preprogrammed and this added to the theory that the pilots might have done this on purpose or that it was premeditated. now you have word at least from the malaysians that that is not the case. there was nothing from the plane to indicate that that turn was preprogrammed. how important a development do you think that is and for you does it undermine the theory the pilots were somehow intentionally involved? >> well, i mean, i never thought the pilots were intentionally involved. we were pondering this

now, why don't we talk to mary schiavo, the former u.s. orer david jourdan and jeff gardere. mary, you have seen the pictures of the objects out there. what does that tell you? we're saying that it's objects. it is possible though that it is plane debris. we just don't know at this point. >> right. and it's too impossible to say. i couldn't say whether it was or wasn't. it doesn't strike me right off the bat as anything, but when they get it to perth and the experts there will examine it, you know, they'll have a better idea. it's just hard to get an idea from the screen. but hopefully the number of items will increase as the days go on. >> okay. mary, i want to talk to you about this because according to our correspondent will ripley in perth he's saying there are now ten planes and ten ships. is that added resources? >> that's a few more. i think they had eight planes and that's more ships. but, yes, certainly that is more. and that's good because i thought that there were too few to cover the vast amount of area -- vast amount of ocean t

back with us, the cnn aviation analyst mary schiavo and john mcgau, and tom fuentes.the break, john mcgaw, there are three things kind of missing thus far, especially to help ease the grieving loved ones. you say there needs to be grief counselors and a command and control center. and the third item would be what that is missing thus far? >> well, the search of the land, fredericka. it's with as much sympathy as i can say, if they are in the water, they are gone. so concentrate on the land. and each area that has responsibility for that land. take their ministers or whoever their lead people are and let them exclude that part of their country or that part of the land. so that you get it down to where it might be just a small area that you can then search so that you're not sitting on a possibility of it being on the land and not doing something very immediate about it. >> and now today, in fact, the malaysian defense minister says they will concentrate more now on land searches. so i wonder, mary, now with day ten of this search, trying to get to the bottom of this mi

let's bring in mary schiavo. f course, let's bring back cnn chief national correspondent jim sciutto. mary, let's start with you. lots of developments today, the thai military radar and the fact that the cockpit was reprogrammed probably before they said to air traffic control "all right, good night." what do think is the most helpful information? >> the thai radar but the most significant is the flight computer data. there's more than one way to get that waypoint into the computer. the most obvious way is you are flying along and you have your navigation screen in front of you. it's a glowing computer screen and you see a waypoint that you want to go to and you punch in that waypoint code. there's like four letters or numbers on that code and the plane turns or you can turn your auto pilot. you can instruct the auto pilot to turn and it will go to that waypoint and then that's in the computer but you didn't punch in it. so we know it happened. we know they were going to the waypoint but the biggest mystery is sti

mary schiavo, thanks so much. appreciate your expertise. >>> meantime, among those apparatus joining in this, u.s. navy searching for that missing plane as well. this is a surveillance plane taking off from the u.s. base in okinawa, japan. it has specialized radar equipment with long range search capabilities used in this search and u.s. navy seahawk. u.s. destroyer is also assisting in this massive, very important search. malaysia airlines is now speaking out about the investigation. andrew stephens joining us live from beijing where family members there are awaiting any kind of news as to what happened to their loved ones. andrew, more than half the passengers on that plane are chinese nationals. the families apparently have been staying at a nearby total complex in beijing. what are authorities telling them and what are they saying? >> it's very, very frustrating for the people who are standing by to get any sort of news for loved ones. malaysia airlines has been very cautious in saying anything at all. in the

we have mary schiavo here, as well as experienced pilots. we have a lot of experience to draw on. but i do want to bring in richard quest, you were just talking to don about the scope of the resources which have been deployed. i was talking to a u.s. navy commander earlier tonight who focused on this area. this australia area because they really felt they had exhausted a lot of their search areas further north in the bay of bengal. they really felt this was the area that they had the best chance at this point of finding something. but again they didn't know and they were facing a scenario if they didn't find debris of just constantly expanding that area of search. >> and that is really interesting, and crucial because it was the uss kidd and i think it might have been on 360 where we were learning about the fact that resources from the kidd were being transferred to western australia because it was easier to search the indian ocean from land on the western coast. now malaysia asked australia, australia accepted the duty to marshal and coordinate all the search operation. but throu

let's bring in mary schiavo back in. i know from listening to this morning's press conference, mary, that the malaysian authorities were somewhat excited about this news of this debris that was found by those australian pilots, that this australian ship is racing towards right now. might this news conference have something to do with that? >> well, it might. i wouldn't think they would call a press conference to announce the news that everyone has already talked about, about the plane turning around, about the coordinates for the turn around not being pre-programmed and all that. however, they simply might be trying to get ahead of the news and properly brief the families if, in fact, they are holding this briefing for at least to some of the chinese families that's pretty typical operation for the ntsb. they hold those daily family briefings in the united states when they work something. but i would think it would be a significant development if they would call a press conference and perhaps they have been able to identi

mary schiavo, former inspector general at the department of transportation joins us. mary, you suggest that the absence of anyone claiming responsibility could be an ominous clue, if it turns out to be terrorism. i want you to explain what your suspicion potentially could be. >> well, that's right. our firm was the lead firm in investigating and litigating 9/11. one thing that was very crucial, our work and examination of project bujenka, a plan by terrorists to take out a dozen u.s. planes over the pacific ocean. but to make this work, they had to do trial runs, and they had to try it out first. so what they did is selected a philippine airliner and did a trial run using fake passports, specifically so no one would find out who was behind it, what they were doing. and so they could do the trial run. and then expand the plot further on. and luckily, through law enforcement, through a lucky break on a bomb-making that went wrong, they did get the plot. they did get many of the perpetrators, not all, before they could carry out bojenka. but it was very important to foil

mary schiavo you just heard from jeffrey thomas.believes there was nefarious human involvement that caused this. what do you make of his statement that he believes that the australian defense minister would not give a public statement in seven minutes if he did not have something of significance to say? >> i agree. i mean, the last announcement was fairly significant. this one too. i'm hoping -- i'm sure everyone's hoping it's not what we heard in the previous guest about perhaps calling off the search. but i don't know how they would identify for certain that the pieces that they are looking at and seeing are from the aircraft without having picked them up and put them on a ship for inspection. but maybe that's what it is going to be. that would be helpful news at this point. >> richard, you heard from jeffrey as well. you know him. well-placed gentleman. >> known jeffrey for many years. there's none better in the industry. i don't know if he is right. it might be that david johnson is feeling the need to give an overview and a rou

. >>> mary schiavo and peter field join us. mary, i am going to start with you since you are here with us. this new radar data from thailand, what can this now tell us? >> well, it doesn't tell so much something new as it bolsters the theories. now, we have a second way to say, yes, this plane hit its first mark and then turned left. the other thing it could add, since thailand is a little bit north, if it can expand the circle we know. all we have from these satellites. thailand is a little bit north. their radar should cover a larger area. did the plane veer to the north or to the south. at least, it is a confirmation that it did teurn and started heading west. >> this information would have helped about a week ago. >> it would have helped about a week ago. the only thing we can say, at least they are still looking for additional information and other governments and countries are helping. it would help if they have any drexel speed, altitude information, whatsoever. >> they are quoting the thais saying the malaysians never sp

i'm going to start with mary schiavo. you heard about doing this under duress.an from this new information? >> from the new information it tells me that clearly something was going on in the plane, be it decompression, fire, smoke, explosion, that they had an awful lot to do in a short amount of time. it could have been the plane itself sensed a depressurization. did a 90 minute turn and started the descent. following up with what david said. i'm a member with him in the tech no geek club. it is important to look at the may not nanls records. i can't count the number of cases i've worked. they left some items undone. they were going to do it at the ne next maintenance turn. let's hope malaysia grabbed it and held on to it. >> you mentioned david. let's go to him. >> although the fact that it took that dive which i'm not 100% is good information. typically radar doesn't give that kind of altitude information that quickly and that reliably. i want to hold off on that until i figure it out that there was distress going on in that airplane. >> bobby? >> from a searc

peter rosenberg, mary schiavo, in charlton, south carolina, and mike dumbroff in washington.talking about the number of countries involved in the search for this plane, 25. there are all sorts of satellite imaging and information that is being conveyed. and now it really has elicited everyone on the planet to come up with theories and best-case, worst-case scenarios. it's not only a fascinating situation but also frightening. mary, to you first, i wonder, with all of these holes in this investigation and people trying to fill in the blanks, all of us putting on our sleuth hats, is that a distraction for investigators as mark was saying? >> no. you know, i think it was edison who said he had -- you know, before he came up with the light bulb he came up with a thousand ways not to make the light bulb. by prime minister's statement, and i can commiserate with malaysia because we were in the same position after september 11th, 2001, and i he had a statement, and i'm paraphrasing, but he said, look, when accused of a cover-up, he said, we've just laid bear and told the world some

. >> mary schiavo, obviously authorities began looking intensely at this area before at least the public knew this debris had been found. do you think they've already gone through a lot of that modelling on where they think the plane might have gone in on this southern sector? >> oh, i do, especially when the prime minister spoke early this morning or late last night. and the authorities spoke as well. they did say they were working with the united states national transportation safety board and they had been crunching the data and that it was the national transportation safety board that had come up with the different paths and tracks. we had pretty good clues there was an awful lot of work and smoothing on the data going behind the scenes, which is probably giving them that confidence level to be so confident about announcing this to the world. >> mary schiavo, great to have you on again. les avend, david souci, david gallo, martin savidge and our pilot in the flight simulator. >>> next, it's the aerial search for the debris begins, we'll look at how the families are handling the news.

we're going to put that question to mary schiavo, david soucie, david funk and bill waldock our panels here. david we'll start with you. this is reminiscent of course of payne stewart. how long did that fly? like four hours or something? >> at least four hours until it ran out of fuel as well. that was the result of depressurization in the cab anyone everyone lost consciousness? >> it's debatable whether depressurization or overpressurization followed by depressurization. the outflow valves stuck on that aircraft. there's a safety valve behind it. so if the outflow valve stops, the safety valve doesn't open, all the pressure from the engines that's supposed to be bleeding off stops. and that overpressurizes the aircraft, basically taking you from a cabin altitude of say 8,000 feet down to below sea level immediately. and it causes physical damage to you at that point. and then back up again after that up to 30,000. >> david funk, what do you make of this theory? i guess it could be also smoke or some sort of fume that would knock these guys out in the cockpit or i guess a struggle or