let's bring in david soucie cnn safety analyst and mary schiavo, cnn safety analyst and formally with the department of transportation. we're getting a lot of threats coming from the prosecutor's offices starting to paint, i would say as a layman, quite a clear picture of someone dealing with quite a lot and should not have been flying. when you're looking at the tablet seized, mary, search terms, he was searching medical treatments, methods of suicide, searching cockpit doors, information about the come pit doors and their security measures without trying to -- you don't want to jump too far ahead, but what does that tell you? >> sadly it tells me that some of the safeguards already in place in other countries including the united states might have prevented him as using the plane as his vehicle for suicide. he obviously was concerned about the cockpit door and keeping anyone else out of the cockpit. had they had the two-person rule in place -- in other words, if a pilot goes out, a flight attendant comes in, he might

aviation analyst, les amend, and mary schiavo, former inspector general at the transportation department. les, i want to start with you, each day i feel like i'm going to you for reaction for one more parade of horribles. this co-pilot wanted this plane down even faster. does that help anything in the investigation other than being terrible? >> it's anybody's best guess what was going through this young man's mind. i know the terminology being used is "sped up." but he increased the vertical speed. you can dial in and basically make the airplane go down faster or make it go up faster also. he increased it. maybe he was looking for a specific spot and was trying to increase the rate of descent so he could get to that spot. it's hard to say exactly -- >> what you're saying to me -- i'm trying to envision what honestly was going on in that cockpit for those harrowing eight minutes.

>> reporter: cnn aviation analyst mary schiavo said instead the industry should focus on improving pilot pay. >> the starting salary for teachers in the united states of america is about $35,000. whereas the starting salary for pilots is $22,000 or $24,000. so if we accept the notion that teachers are underpaid, then pilots are way underpaid. >> reporter: especially when you consider the average pilot spends tens of thousands of dollars in training before they start making any money. >> i think that the industry will have to find a way to make the the transition from starting to be a professional pilot to being that experienced pilot a little bit easier. you know maybe increasing pay. having some more incentives to continue with the program. otherwise, people are going to lose motivation. >> reporter: alina machado,

joining us the aviation attorney and former military pilot justin greene and joining us mary schiavo,mer justice of transportation for victims of transportation accidents. we just heard the editor the publication saying he is seeing that video, says it's authentic. french authorities say they don't know about this video or any videos for that matter. what do you make of all of this? >> i think it's very very unfortunate. like mary i have to work. i am privileged to work with the family and victims of aviation disasters and the last thing they need to hear or find out whabd on that flight is on the front page of the tabloid. that being said there's a concern about the integrity of the crash site which in this case is a crime scene. i don't believe the video itself will add too much to the investigation because i really just confirms what we already know from the cockpit voice recorder. >> mary the fact that there have been so many leaks so early in this investigation. have you seen anything like this before? >> well unfortunately, i have. as inspector general, i conducted a lot of inve

so it's just a matter of finding it and if they find them, i think they'll get more. >> mary schiavo,much. and justin green, you as well. digging deeper on the technology that might save lives in a situation like this one. rene marsh has that. >> pull, up. >> reporter: despite glaring cockpit alarms like these, andreas lubitz continued germanwings 9525's deadly descent, plane in his control alone. more than ten years ago airbus the plane's manufacturer developed software to allow a plane's computers to take over a flight if it got close to crashing, but the project was scrapped before it was put to use. >> in the case of the germanwings passenger murder, this technology i believe would have saved the flight. >> reporter: here is how it would work. if the pilot does not respond to current audible warnings in the cockpit and auto pilot function would kick in, steering the plane out of danger and on to a safe course. many commercial pilots say a plane should never be taken out of a pilot's control. the crash landing of u.s. airways flight 1549 on the hudson river in new york and, an exam

mary schiavo, let me bring you in. as an investigator when you hear all these few, few details -- i mean this is just happening. how do you read this? >> well two important points. david is absolutely right. if this is a situation which was first reported that there was a door opening in flight or lack of a door seal it's extremely rare but extremely dangerous. there have been flights in the past where the opening of a door in flight has brought down the plane. because there are warning devices on the doors before they taxi and take out whether that door is properly secured or not. this would be one of those situation where is the faa should issue an emergency air waves directive and these planes should be grounded until those doors, doors can be inspected. that's a very, very rare and very dangerous event and would indicate something seriously wrong with the plane. if it's a lack of pressurization in flight again, we all harken back to the event. it would be an outflow valve. it could be a number of things that lead t

joining me, mary schiavo. and lance is chief correspondent and editor at large. welcome to both of you. we wanted to hone in on -- mary let me ask you. you're familiar with accident investigations. to think of this possibility, when you look at this debris field, that it would even be possible a cellphone or a card from inside a cellphone would survive something like this. possible? >> oh possible and it's happened in other crashes and other cases i've worked. not only do cell phones survive and you can download material off cell phones but sometimes laptops and other electrons. even after a fire, i've had situations after a fire you've been able to download pictures and material from laptops. i'm not surprised that there's not more than one. i'm sure many got out of cell phone, sent messages and uploaded things. i think as time goes on there will be perhaps more of this. >> let me turn to you lance. talking to our correspondent covering the area in the french alps. he said investigators have recovered multiple pieces of cell phones. he was saying to me these inve

i want to get mary schiavo on this. is there any possibility in a crash investigation that somewhere along the chain of custody of these pieces of wreckage, that one of those memory cards from a phone might have been looked at on the phone of a rescuer who then may have shown it later to a reporter and it's just ultimately in an evidence bag on its way somewhere? is that a possibility? >> i think that sounds like the most logical possibility or else someone -- could have even done a transfer of the data. that's very risky for whoever has it on their cell phone or put the similar card in another cell phone and played it that way or made a copy. but i think given the reporters -- and they certainly said it seemed like what it was and given that i have on other crash cases i've worked, have had cell phone video. it has been recovered. things have been recovered from cell phones, computers, you name it. they're pretty tough little devices. i think it's likely it really does exist and the investigators just haven't seen it y

let's bring in mary schiavo, a former inspector general of the u.s. department of transportation. mary, what do you make of this? this is the initial information they're getting from the flight data recorder. what's your read on what they're putting out right now? >> well, certainly it confirms what the prosecutors said basis on the cockpit voice recorder, that he was conscious, alive, that he deliberately did it. i would expect them to change it from an involuntary manslaughter to a homicide investigation and follow up from additional information from the black boxes. the flight data recorder will have all the fly controls, every movement he made in flying the plane. they'll be able to tell everything that he did, if he continued to put the nose down more and more, any other things he did in the cockpit. there's about 500 parameters, different things collected on the flight data recorder. and the print-out of it looks a lot like an ekg. they'll have a lot more data but everything they have seen so far from the data confirms their initial suspicions. >> what do you make of the fact

joining me now with the very latest i have cnn's jean casarez and also mary schiavo, former inspector general for the u.s. transportation department. mary let me begin with you. pressurization problem. you described before the notion of falling that much a controlled fall three minutes like a roller coaster. what could explain this? >> well most typically when this happens and people will remember the plane stewart tragedy, it's a valve. there are valves on the plane that can keep the pressurization. there can be a slow leak. there can be other leaks. typically, it could be leaks around doors and cargo and things like that. typically it's a valve. what happens is these valves fail. when they fail it can be a rapid decompression, or it can be a slow leak. in this case it had to be a rapid decompression for the pilots to respond as they did. everyone was very fortunate the pilots were able to get on their oxygen masks, were able to descend, and hopefully the passengers got their masks on as well. >> as we're going to talk to jean in a second again, going from 38,000 feet to 10,000 feet

mary schiavo is joining us on the phone right how it. obviously sketchy information right now.tails. based on what we've just reported what's your analysis? >> well obviously it's a mechanical failure with the plane, but my analysis includes the passengers are very lucky. there have been cases in the past where the doors have failed in flight and it resulted in the loss of plane. so it's very very fortunate. since the passengers did lose consciousness, obviously this happened when the flight was most likely above 10,000 feet. losing a door while you're cruising in flight is extremely rare and has serious safety implications for this model of plane. i think the faa better act immediately. i would be surprised and shocked, in fact given this rare occurrence that they don't issue an emergency ground until they're all checked. >> that's what they normally do in a situation like this. if in fact this plane with 75 or more passengers on board, if a plane like this does have an emergency situation, they lose air pressure, people faint or lose consciousness, they should ground the plan

where a pilot is being blamed for the trash, former department of transportation inspector general mary schiavoe must be additional safeguards. >> most of the major commercial jet liner crashes in the last two or three years could have been saved by an override. >> reporter: airbus is not saying anything about all this. however, honeywell, the firm that worked with airbus says they won't develop it unless airlines or regulators ask for it and at this point, so far, that has not happened. >> rene do we have any idea why the project was scrapped the first time around when it was proposed? >> reporter: i asked honeywell this very question. they tell me that they determined at the time they didn't feel as if the technology was mature enough it wasn't ready for prime time. they thought introducing this sort of technology into the cockpit essentially may create other hurdles, for example, at what point and under what circumstances would the plane give back control to the pilot. there were a lot of questions and so they decided not to go with it. >> rene marsh, thank you so much. >>> coming up 11 teac

before 2001 it was a luxury to think about the mary schiavos of the world.about those kind of wedge issues that worked really well to get people elected. well, guess what, since then i think it's 36 states have now passed gay marriage laws and i think either america's beginning to move on or beginning to see that people of all stripes have a place around the table. >> father beck, what do you make -- because i think it's fair to say that ted cruz is wearing his religion, his faith on the sleeve. i don't think that's a slam on ted cruz. do you find that to be authentic when you see candidates, political candidates wearing their faith on their sleeves? >> i think perhaps it may be authentic for them but polls show americans don't want it. americans want to keep that separation. i think they do it at their own peril because people say if that's what it's going to be about for you, bringing your faith into every decision, you're not going to represent the vast majority of this country. therefore, you may not be our candidate. >> gentlemen, we have more to talk a

. >> larry schiavo works for families and victims after airplane disasters. good morning, mary. >> how unusual is it that investigators have left the scene and it's barely two weeks after the crash? >> well, it's unusual in that ordinarily, they are looking for the cause of the crash and many times in these accident investigates or in this case intentional crash investigations, you have to get so much more of the aircraft because you have to piece it together. it's pretty typically when you're looking for the cause to do an accident or plane crash reconstruction and for that you literally pick up every piece that you possibly can. hear since they know the cause and probably a good thing they are getting on with the investigation and issue the recommendations because it's those recommendations that the european aviation safety agency, the oversight body for europe's aviation, can make recommendations and get nations to imply. and, apparently, germany, the piece before from the reporter before showed, germany had not