yes, ma'am. >> in what context did mary todd lincoln discuss lincoln's last words to her? >> it's a great question. she's talking, and this is going to, this is the kind of information that makes it better and worse all at the same time. she's talking to a baptist minister in springfield, a man by the name noyes. it's the same baptist minister lincoln had lent the buggy to years before for a year and a half, friend of the family's. it's happening in 1882. and that document is on file at the bringfield library. and by the way -- springfield library. by the way, if you are even remotely interested in abraham lincoln, you will not believe the springfield library. it's like disneyland collided with the richard byrd library in turn collided with something else. unbelievable. a lehrman film or something. it's amazing. you actually walk through, you know, where the casket's lying in state, you actually walk through debate withs. it's pretty amazing. very disney-esque. it's unbelievable. but there are serious, serious scholars, and some of the best. i ran all my writing and resear

short answer interview with mary todd lincoln 1882. the most of what you know, except for what he wrote% or people wrote during his presidency comes sometimes three decades later but it is substantiated as a source. but most scholars used to don't use it all but people think during the victorian era there was every working and there could be some evidence for that but we also have evidence that i decided from later that confirms this it will never be fully resolved but only of those that insist on an absolute conclusion are wrong. understand what i am saying? if you insist on a position he was on a journey but it did impact the country that is the conclusion that you can tell that a few presidents lives have impacted our country but yet he may be of the least certain amount. that is all we go. it has great -- a great to be with you please go to springfield and read all about him. it is wonderful. [applause] >> as a young child i tasted the fruits of discrimination and i did not like it. as my mother and father and grandparents they sai

but that's not the way mary todd lincoln, herself the only one close enough to know said it went. she said it was more like this. they had begun a conversation finished the conversation. listen to where it's about. mrs. lincoln says what will miss harris think of my hanging ton you. and lincoln said she'll think nothing of it. john wills boothe is working the way in to the box. lincoln says -- this is according to todd. we will not return immediately we will goad abroad among strange wrers i can rest. there's more time and john is making his way further to the box and he says to her. we will visit the holy land. and that thing hangs in the air and you can see the film playing in my brain. he makes further progress in to the boothe then finally toward -- as the drama increases and the play is going on on the stage below. lincoln said we will visit the holy land and see the places hallowed by the footstep of the savior. then just before john boothe gun enters his brain. lincoln is heard to say there's no place i so much desire to see. as jerusalem. now i want you to bear in mind tha

. >> rick and mary todd embark on a hunt for the truth. >> i think we are singapore's worst nightmare the todds said they discovered inconsistencies in the story police told them about shane committing suicide. i was with them for their very emotional visit back to the apartment where shane died. >> oh, my heart breaks for them. as a parent you know your child. and based on the inconsistencies that they know, how are they doing now? what are they saying? >> they continue to push this. there was an inquest in singapore where they ruled this was a suicide. but the family walked out of that inquest because no one even interviewed them about their side of the story. look, the todds say they were told by the detectives that their son had drilled bolts into the bathroom wall to create this suicide device. when they went over to the apartment, there were no holes, no bolts, no pulleys. and there were suicide notes on his computer clearly not written by shane but written in an asian voice. >> i'm so glad you're doing this. you can see pete 'eers full report. i've set my vcr -- odvr. "spies, l