where is mary todd lincoln buried? willy. he's she's buried with all the lincolns are buried together. yes. and why did they why did they open? his coffin, i think you said six times. six times to ensure that it was him he was moved, too. there were so many threats of his his coffin being essentially snatched and held for ransom that. a lot of times whenever they moved him. they'd peek in there to make sure that it was him. and suitcase zinc chloride worked. so well that when the coffin was opened for the final time in 1901, the condition of i want to say there was 17 or 18 people that viewed him that final time, along with his son, robert. he was in a remarkable state of preservation to those that viewed him in 1901. what's his number on the brace for that? because you said he was 21. and i don't know how much experience he had, but how did that all work out? well, i think he i think his embalming during the civil war traumatized him. he left embalming immediately. the civil war, he was a lithograph for for a short amount of

fight the grant to ford's theater the night of the assassination and the grant almost went that mary todd lincoln -- julia grant was not a big fan of mary todd lincoln and mrs. grant says they have got to go see their children in new jersey, which they did and president lincoln was assassinated that night. grant is bereft with guilt and he thinks if i had been there married would have been able to save president lincoln. he was also a target, grant was of john wilkes-booth. >> after he was assassinated grant stands at the time of the most popular figure. >> by far. johnson despise that. he despised the grant had that power and grew to really hate him. johnson did to the point where he was just trying to figure out how to get them out of the way want to send them to mexico and do all these things in grant stood up to him and said no. he said if it's a military worker i will go but i'm not going if this is just you sending me. >> grant us known as the northern union general but you write in your book that because the approach that he took to southern soldiers to the confederates i don't want to see

but mary todd lincoln -- was not a big fan -- and mrs. grant says, we've got to go see the children in new jersey, which they did. and president lincoln is assassinated that night. grant is racked with guilt and he thinks, if i had been there, i would've been able to save president lincoln. he was also a target, grant was, of john will spoof. >> yeah, and after lincoln is assassinated, grant -- as the most popular figure, right? by far. >> and johnson despised that. he despised that grant had the power. and grew to really, really hate him. johnson did. to the point where he was just trying to figure out how to get him out of the way. he wanted to send him to mexico -- and grant stood up to him and said no. and he said, if it's a military order, i will go, but i'm not going if it's just you sending me. >> -- crowds, of course, known as the -- union general. but you write in your book that, because of the approaches he took to southern soldiers, to the confederacy, -- people in the south admired him as -- they -- >> very much. so he was, obv

mary todd lincoln, wife, insists however that i'm gonna be a senator and the president of the united states to. these last words fell to the roar of laughter around his knees and shaking all over with mirth at his wife's ambition. just think, he exclaimed, of such a sucker as me. >> it's one of those stories, bob, where you don't often think of abraham lincoln as a very funny man with a lot of humor. if you read deeply into any of the stories that are written about him, like you have just done, you'll see that he did have an incredible sense of humor and was quite a humble man. i'm not sure mary todd could force him into the presidency, but certainly her inspiration and her standing with him, and behind him, and in front of him, oftentimes, gotten him to where he ultimately landed. later on in this talk we're gonna talk about a couple other first ladies that played a similar role in the lives of their husbands, the presidents. one other thing, bob, could you talk a little bit about what it was like to travel on a train during lincoln's time? you know, we often think in contemporary t

she for example, love the lincoln bedroom suite which mary todd lincoln had purchased for the best guest. over during her time and so she insisted she was going to have it for her bedroom, which you see in that center slide the the famous lincoln bed and the accompanying dressers and table there all in use and so that of course called his bluff in terms of being able to get rid of it and she did that for for a number of things. she was also the first first lady to really install any sort of true museum type installation in the white house you see that in she had cabinets commissioned in the ground floor quarter and historic china services displayed there. and possibly most importantly she also decided that the auctions that it happened all throughout the 19th century of white house furnishings needed to stop and that was a real turning point in terms of how you know, what remained in the house and what did get slide, please. and then i wanted to give a shout out to namie eisenhower who is usually not always considered in discussions of historic preservation, but she like mrs. kennedy was

she for example, love the lincoln bedroom suite which mary todd lincoln had purchased for the best guest. over during her time and so she insisted she was going to have it for her bedroom, which you see in that center slide the the famous lincoln bed and the accompanying dressers and table there all in use and so that of course called his bluff in terms of being able to get rid of it and she did that for for a number of things. she was also the first first lady to really install any sort of true museum type installation in the white house you see that in she had cabinets commissioned in the ground floor quarter and historic china services displayed there. and possibly most importantly she also decided that the auctions that it happened all throughout the 19th century of white house furnishings needed to stop and that was a real turning point in terms of how you know, what remained in the house and what did get slide, please. and then i wanted to give a shout out to namie eisenhower who is usually not always considered in discussions of historic preservation, but she like mrs. kennedy was