mary vogel. i'm a regular at city club lunches. and i wanted to ask about an issue that seems to have almost disappeared from the mainstream media these days. unless you listen to democracy now, you heard almost nothing about the durbin conference on climate change, for example. but so what about climate change? what is the state doing to show leadership in the absence of the federal government's role in this? >> well, a couple of things. if -- in my remarks to the oregon business summit, i talked a little bit about beginning to add and integrate into the oregon business plan elements what was i call a sustainable clean economy. that is, an economy that seeks to create economic development and jobs by actually replenishing our natural environment. i think there is a -- i think what we're talking about in terms of active management of some of these forest is is an element of a conservation economy. i think there is a restoration economy out there as well. with the fresh water trust here in oregon, has done a whole lot of work on dev

joining us in minneapolis anna marie cox, a correspondent from the guardian and ken vogel. >> anna inryh's says santorum's quotes about women in the military completely misunderstands the nature of modern warfare. i hate to say it, but doesn't gingrich have a point? >> i think rick santorum understands the nature of a lot of modern things, including gender releases and families. but younknow i think yes. newt gingrich is clever, let's say that. he does have a command of facts even if he doesn't choose to use them. santorum does seem to be off base on this. he doesn't seem to understand the way that modern warfare is fought or the roles different people play in it. this is another example of weirdly how social issues have come to the front in this race if that's what they're attacking each other about. that is basically good for rick santorum in his appear, by the way. >> every time a non-romney candidate takes the lead, his past comes back to bite him. do you think that pattern will hold for santorum, particularly his magnificently well paid career as a lobbyist? >> well, certainly you