civilian complaint review board, reviewing allegations of police misconduct and worked for mary wright adelman and the children's defense funds, doing civil liberties litigation for children. i am very optimistic. >> thinking back to the question of the supreme court and history, i think with the appointment of justice gorsuch, who, like his predecessor, claims to be an originalist, there will be opportunities to educate the court on the history of the 15th amendment and one of the things that is striking is howriginal is him little the reconstruction amendments figure into it. it goes back to the founding. 1789 is there all the time. you do not see the 1860's or 1870's very much. there is opportunity. i agree that it is not necessarily going to sway votes but at least, the record can be made and people can hear those arguments and learn from them. >> we missed an opportunity to test his point with a scientific experiment because when justice gorsuch was an undergraduate at columbia, i was teaching. he never took my course. if he had, we would have a test of what impact it makes on his decisio