for more on the legal cases, i spoke with mary ziegler, aand author of the book, "abortion and the lawa: 'roe v. wade' to the present." so, professor ziegler, one of the things that people have been concerned about since the passage of the texas law ihow it would impact other parts of the country. are there lots of other states that are trying their own versions of this law? are they concerned now that there are kind of challenges and there might be roadblocks ahead? >> there's several governors of conservative states who've said they're going to look into passing this-- or pledge to pass the law. the momentum slowed down a little bit in the weeks since i think, in part, because these challenges have arisen and made it seem as if maybe this law will not be able to prevent abortions from happening in the state of texas. the other thing that's happened, of course, is that the plaintiffs who have come forward have not been people that the right-to-life movement might have chosen. so, there's also a teat that if you pass this law, you losetf a sense among red state governors that maybe the

what can i speak to mary ziegler who's a professor at florida state university and they also have a book about roe v wade. she's also writing a new one on the current and g bush and movement. you join us from santa rosa beach in florida. thanks very much indeed for being with us in terms of the history of abortion or in the us. how significant to the recent changes being the been extremely significant in part because this is the 1st time really in 50 years that we've seen a real possibility that row will be overturned and that roughly half the states in the united states will criminalize all or most abortion, so we're in relatively uncharted territory and only at the supreme court how, what kind of outcome do you think we can expect on this? well, they're really a he to quite likely outcome. so them to uphold the mississippi law. the court would either need to overrule robi, wait entirely, or get rid of part of roby wade, which is to say that the right to choose abortion last until viability, which is the point, survival is possible outside of the womb. so i would expect to see the court