my question is for marybeth gasman. thank you, first of all, for the slides because that's primarily our interest. when it comes to msis on your own website you distinguish between hbcus. i understand it's not the same at hpcus, are they being left out when you're giving statistics about black students at hpcus, that they should or should not be include? >> they are differently entities than predominantly black institutions. if you're doing research on historically black institutions which are created with the idea of educating black americans prior to 1965, right? that research is typically not going to include pbis unless you include them. for our center, we do pay attention to pbis, but if our research is on hbcus -- like we have a big s.t.e.m. project that is funded by the helmsley trust. one thing i would say there is the outcomes in s.t.e.m. for pbis are different than for hbcus. they're just two dirt pots. leslie leads an organization that represents both. i do think that pbis need attention because they're growi

my question is for marybeth gasman. thank you, first of all, for the slides because that's primarily our interest. the question i have for you is, when it comes to msis on your own website, you distinguish between hbcus and other institutions. our predominantly black institutions, i understand it's not the same as hpcus, are they being left out when you're giving statistics about black students at hpcus? and should or should they not be included? this is more of a clarifying question. thank you. >> historically black colleges and institutions are different entities than predominantly black institutions. if you're doing research on historically black institutions which are institutions created with the express idea of educating black americans prior to 1965, right? that research is typically not going to include pbis unless you include them. so with our center, we do -- we do pay attention to pbis, but if our research is on hbcus -- like we have a big s.t.e.m. project funded by the helmsley trust. one thing i would say t

my question is for marybeth gasman. thank you, first of all, for the slides because that's primarily our interest. when it comes to msis on your own website you distinguish between hbcus. i understand it's not the same at hpcus, are they being left out when you're giving statistics about black students at hpcus, that they should or should not be include? >> they are differently entities than predominantly black institutions. if you're doing research on historically black institutions which are created with the idea of educating black americans prior to 1965, right? that research is typically not going to include pbis unless you include them. for our center, we do pay attention to pbis, but if our research is on hbcus -- like we have a big s.t.e.m. project that is funded by the helmsley trust. one thing i would say there is the outcomes in s.t.e.m. for pbis are different than for hbcus. they're just two dirt pots. leslie leads an organization that represents both. i do think that pbis need attention because they're growi

hurtado is going to talk about, too, is not only it is collecting data about the inputs and also marybeth gasman, but rethinking what it is these institutions contribute. what other measures are indicators of institutional performance might there be that these minority-serving institutions and hsis are contributing? but the second recommendation is that we don't want to make this an unfunded mandate. a lot of these institutions don't have resources for data collection and reporting comparable measures, so providing capacity to do that would be a really good idea. i think part of this could also involve partnering with the national student data clearinghouse as deborah santiago mentioned, to be able to track students. that would be a good opportunity to track transfer students, for example, nationally, students who move institutions. resisting the temptation to implement high stakes poll sis based on inaccurate data and assessment is really key as well and an important takeaway from our analysis. finally, there are several higher education associations right now who are making efforts to find acc

hurtado is going to talk about, too, is not only it is collecting data about the inputs and also marybeth gasman, but rethinking what it is these institutions contribute. what other measures are indicators of institutional performance might there be that these minority-serving institutions and hsis are contributing? but the second recommendation is that we don't want to make this an unfunded mandate. a lot of these institutions don't have resources for data collection and reporting comparable measures, so providing capacity to do that would be a really good idea. i think part of this could also involve partnering with the national student data clearinghouse as deborah santiago mentioned, to be able to track students. that would be a good opportunity to track transfer students, for example, nationally, students who move institutions. resisting the temptation to implement high stakes poll sis based on inaccurate data and assessment is really key as well and an important takeaway from our analysis. finally, there are several higher education associations right now who are making efforts to find acc