in fact, we looked at the massachusetts nod the -- massachusetts model when we started out. it didn't work for utah. it one in the best interest. there's probably pros and cons. it's not a matter of he's right and i'm wrong, as we work together as states, we can find solution. of we talk about what does the health care reform message? what is the issue? i don't think the public understands. universal access, quality of care, affordability? probably all of the above. we are attracting with the affordable health care act with one area. i don't know that it helps with the cost controls measures. >> well, and i appreciate that answer. and governor patrick, and then governor barbour. >> i'm really interested in that idea, congressman. we have about 220,000 who get their coverage through our connector, our version of the exchange. i think that compares to about 1500, am i right in utah? >> about 1,000. >> about 1,000. so it's a slightly different scale. because we are trying to -- because we made different choices. and i agree with my colleague, governor herbert, i'm not sure that

is the same in massachusetts. it was a high-cost state before reform, and it is still a high- cost state and possibly growing precipitously in the massachusetts and the rest of the country. if you look at every state in the nation right now with medicaid programs, it is more attributed to the economic decline. what happens in an economic decline is that the state revenue goes down, right? not as many people paying taxes, they are unemployed. and what happens to the need for service? it goes up. many states right now are looking to cut back on their programs and massachusetts is no different. the additional costs of the new people who are getting state assistance. if nothing will be done about cost containment, the state will be in a difficult place. host: our first call from pennsylvania from the republican line. you are on with michael landon from brandeis university. -- you're on with michael doonan. caller: i am just sitting here having a couple of beers. are we going have to pay extra money to take care of the

what has been the experience in massachusetts? >> our budgets have been responsible, balanced, and on time the last four years. we are working with the legislature to assure that again this year. our bond rating started out strong, has remained strong through the recession, and was just recently upgraded from a aa to aa positive. we're the only state since 2007 that's have an improved bond rating. we have continue to unvest in public education at the highest levels in the history of the commonwealth. i'll also say our unemployment rate is about a point and a half below the national unemployment rate. we are not satisfied. we still have to drive that down. but when i talk to those small businesses who are concerned about their premium increases, they appreciate we have the additional tools now to be able to get at that end. i meet entrepreneurs that say the security that comes from universal care is a factor in their decisions to invest in massachusetts. we welcome that. >> con tear -- contrary to public influence, the bond rate is

in 2006, massachusetts trailblazed the path for health care reform we see here on capitol hill just a few years later. our outstanding governor has been the driving force behind successful implementation of the massachusetts law. in november 2010, he was overwhelmingly elected to a second term. under his watch his astounding 90% of massachusetts residents and 99.8% of our children now have good dependable health insurance of no other state comes close. governor patrick proposed legislation to lower health care costs about cutting into our residents' quality health care access to services the legislation focuses on quality health care services over quantity encouraging providers to better coordinate care for their patience. this means lower cost and healthier patients. experience a massachusetts shows that far from being one-size-fits-all, healthcare and reform efforts provide states with wide latitude. i can't think of a better person than governor patrick to join us this morning to highlight the great work we have done in massachusetts, and i look forward to his testimony. it's our h

we are proud of what you were doing up there in massachusetts. governor herbert, welcome to you too. gentlemen, very quickly, you have had firsthand experience in implementing the state level reform lobby and you support the federal law that would work well, is that right? >> of their barbour i gather you have a different view, you support to over 30 is that correct? >> that's correct, mr. chairman. >> i gather that you have also supported the affordable care act is that right? >> we joined the lawsuit in florida. >> now i want to see where we are. we have a great challenge and testing of the national will and keep a -- capability. governor barbour, you are aware of the health care insurers can no longer discriminate against 180,000 children with pre-existing health conditions and also that as a result of the affordable care act 53,000 businesses in your state and other states would be eligible or 300 of the million dollars in new health care tax credits. governor commodore also aware that 1.5 million residents of your feinstein are benefiting fr

how do you live in massachusetts and did you know that now if you live in massachusetts you can register to vote as a pirate that's right last week the massachusetts election division approved the pirate party as a political designation in the state and it's not be are are kind of pirates this party is about government transparency personal privacy putting people before corporations and promoting culture and knowledge through copyright reform so it cannot be long before we see a growing number of pirates all across america joining me to discuss it is the lead organizer for the massachusetts party james o'keefe james thanks so much for joining us so i just went through a few of the issues of this party but tell me what really makes it so different from from democrats and republicans essentially the only two powerful options that we have out there. james can you hear me. play here ok great did you hear my question tell me how your party differs from democrats and from republicans. sort of not hearing your view ok i don't think that james is hearing me i think we might try to get back to hi

we are proud of you up there in massachusetts.i know, governor patrick, you had firsthand experience in implementing a reform law and find it works well; is that right? governor, i find you have a different view, am i correct? >> that's correct, mr. chairman. >> and governor herbert, i gather you support overturning the affordable care act; is that right? >> we joined the lawsuit in florida. >> gentlemen, i want to see where we are. we embarked upon a great challenge upon a great testing of our national will and capability here, and so let's go through some of these things. in the case of mississippi, governor barbour, you're aware that the health insurance can no longer discriminate against 180,000 children with preexisting health conditions and you're aware as a result of the affordable care act about 55,000 businesses in your state and other states are eligible for $350 million in new health care credits. governor, you're aware that a million and a half residents of your fine state benefit from consumer protections in the affor

most times they can keep a pretty tight hold on things in massachusetts. in my race was different for a whole lot of reasons and in a bad economy with two wars going on voters were in a pretty serious fan of mind. while the machine as treating the whole thing as a formality i ran on the issues and the voters appreciated being treated as if the actually had a choice. the government takeover of health care was a bad idea and i was against. i also said we need to get off the road of big government and dangerous debt and focus again on private enterprise and growing our economy and new shows for our people. [applause] and dealing with america's terrorist enemies i said that our tax dollars should pay for weapons to stop them, not lawyers to defend them. [applause] the political machine is always to brush off political republican candidates running for office as right wing nuts. well this time it was different. it didn't fly in massachusetts and i remember short time before the final debate remember like it was yesterday on the bitter cold night, not as cold as

most times they've can keep a pretty tight hold on thing inside massachusetts. -- things in massachusetts. and my race was different for pa whole lot of reasons. a bad economy, two wars going on. voters were in a serious frame of mind. while the machine was treating the whole thing as a formality. i ran on the issues, and voters appreciated being treated as if they actually had a choice. i said that a government takeover of healthcare was a bad idea, and i was against it. i also said that we needed to get off the road of big government and dangerous debt and focus on private enterprise and growing our economy and new jobs for our people. [applause] >> and dealing with america's terrorist enemies, i said our tax dollars should pay for weapons to stop them north lawyers to -- not lawyers to defend them. [applause] >> and you know what? the default position of the political machine is always to brush off political republican candidates who are running for offices as right-wing nuts. this time it was different. it didn't fly. and i remember a short time before the final debate, i remember lik

it didn't fly in massachusetts. and under a short time before the final debate, i remember like it was yesterday, on a bitter cold night, as cold as it is here, this is tropical, come on. i shook hands, i actually went outside, it probably was, had to have been 10 or 20 below zero. it was cold. it was a cold night, but they were out there holding signs for each other. and i went outside and i shook hands with everybody, including those people who were supporting my opponent. they were mostly union guys and they would say scott, scott, we are voting for you. [laughter] >> yeah, we're here because we're getting paid to hold these signs. [laughter] >> we are voting for you, yes. well, that assure a confidence builder for the debate that i was having about an hour later, which had the usual back and forth into one question was put to me by the moderator. it was a chance to say what was on everybody's mind. the question was, whether i was really, really willing to vote against obamacare, even as the senator from massachu

in massachusetts, i'm very proud of my chapter on -- chapters on massachusetts because it made such alovely story i think i had a count of the main delicate who traveled to boston, i think there's nothing to get you a better sense of how much, how the passage of time, that to explain what it took to get from maine to boston. we can drive it in a couple of hours. it took them a week, and that he had to figure out who would take care of his horse during the convention. as they say it makes the trip to boston child's play. and then taking home at the end. and the debates themselves were so rich and so tense because it wasn't clear what the vote was going to be. and the federalists, the federalists didn't want any votes until they knew that it was going to be in their favor so they were avoiding votes. they did want the opposition to be that strong. this was excited and i could book in debt with -- but often they said the federalists said, the critics of the constitution were uneducated, sort of rural -- what you would call it, you know, hicks. and they are often farmers. but they also ha

so he was extraordinarily popular in massachusetts. and he had been a president, of course, this is looking at his later career. he was -- one member of the congress was elected to preside over it. you know, it was the president of the continental congress was not like the president of the united states. he was a presiding officer. hancock was also the president of the massachusetts ratifying convention although he did not attend until the end. he had a serious case of gout. he was home suffering until, finally, a political deal was cut, and he discovered that he could overcome the pain and appear. >> host: this is booktv on c-span2. this is our monthly in depth program. our guest, mit professor pauline maier, and we're discussing the revolutionary period in american history. 202 is the area code. 737-0001 if you'd like to participate from the east and central time zones. 7347-0002 for those of you in the mountain and pacific time zones. if you have a question that you'd like to call in. you can also send us an e-mail at booktv@cspan.o

. >> there is a canary in the mine shaft, and it is called massachusetts. massachusetts did this mandated, extended care about three years before, and they are living with that now. it didn't save money, it cost a ton of money. health-care systems are wrestling with what to do about that. where we are going is that everybody will end up in an hmo in boston. it will be the kind of managed care. eventually, i guess, we will get there. but if you want to see what is going to happen, what massachusetts, because they cannot afford it and they are tied in knots. >> mitt romney -- >> it is going to be a big issue. >> it was going to -- it was hard to see how this was going to end opup. but you already have people covered -- for example, students covered by their parents health insurance for the first time up until, i guess, age 26. you have people with pre- existing conditions no longer able to be kicked off -- >> and massachusetts did not havehe same kind of a tense, anyway, at cost savings. we will see how that works, but they did not have the structural things

. >> there is a canary in the mine shaft, and it is called massachusetts. massachusetts did this mandated, extended care about three years before, and they are living with that now. it didn't save money, it cost a ton of money. health-care systems are wrestling with what to do about that. where we are going is that everybody will end up in an hmo in boston. it will be the kind of managed care. eventually, i guess, we will get there. but if you want to see what is going to happen, what massachusetts, because they cannot afford it and they are tied in knots. >> mitt romney -- >> it is going to be a big issue. >> it was going to -- it was hard to see how this was going to end opup. but you already have people covered -- for example, students covered by their parents health insurance for the first time up until, i guess, age 26. you have people with pre- existing conditions no longer able to be kicked off -- >> and massachusetts did not have the same kind of a tense, anyway, at cost savings. we will see how that works, but they did not have the structural thing

lynch of massachusetts. the chair: the gentleman from massachusetts. mr. lynch: thank you, madam chair. i want to first of all clarify what this bill is intending to do. the goal of the bill by my colleagues is to end the f.h.a. refinance program. and while i do support voluntary workouts, and i think that's the best way to approach the problem, i want to point out that the bill as it is written does not allow that to be accomplished by the f.h.a., not only does the bill eliminate the targeted programs that have been identified, but also in its breath also eliminates the possibility of any voluntary agreements outside of these programs. and that's what my amendment would seek to address. i do know that the c.q.'s house action report indicated that i was amending section 2, however i want to make sure that they understand that the language my amendment addresses is section 3, termination of f.h.a. refinance program. basically what this amendment would do to understand it the f.h.a. facilitates mortgage workouts and other actions under its purview through mo

the gentleman from massachusetts. mr. capuano: we have no other speakers, and i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. mr. petri: i have no further requests and i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: both sides yield back. the question is will the house suspend the rules and pass h.r. 1079. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, 2/3 having responded in the affirmative, the rules are suspended, the bill is passed, and without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentlewoman from illinois seek recognition? mrs. biggert: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days to revise and extend their remarks on h.r. 839 and to insert extraneous material thereon. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, so ordered. pursuant to house resolution 170 and rule 18, the chair declares the house in the committee of the whole ho

the gentleman from massachusetts. mr. frank: i yield three minutes to a member of the committee, the gentleman from massachusetts, mr. lynch. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from massachusetts is recognized for three minutes -- the chair: the gentleman from massachusetts is recognized for three minutes. mr. lynch: thank you. i do want to point out the neighborhood stabilization program that we are talking about here today isn't just dealing with foreclosures. as we all know in this country, there have been pockets where the foreclosure phenomenon and the wave of foreclosures and property abandonment has been concentrated. i have an area like that in my district in the area of brockton, massachusetts. but i can point to other areas across this country, what the neighborhood stabilization program allows is for cooperation between communities, banks, lenders, homeowners, and servicers to either preserve homeownership or in areas across this country such as in illinois and nevada, california, florida where thousands of

>> >> guest: an uprising by farmers largely in central western massachusetts. restarted -- their problem was state taxes that had to be collected, that they didn't have. there were basically unrealistic pressures being put on these people and they feared they were going to lose their farms. they also couldn't pay any debt because there was a system of deflationary. there was no circulated medium in massachusetts and they couldn't get hard money because everything -- deficit and trade. they didn't have a gold or silver. how are they to pay their debt? they couldn't. they feared the tax collectors went into court and how do you support your family? they petition for redress of grievances. legislature decided to be very conservative fiscally and they said you just pay. they tried to close the courts snow their farms could not be foreclosed and ultimately a segment of the rose up against the government. this was extremely frightening to people because through studying history they had concluded republics failed because of popular unrest. if the people rule who will

this begins we, the people, of massachusetts, dot, dot, dot date, and establish.where have you heard similar words? the constitution clearly built on the massachusetts presence. >> host: 10 minutes left, this call is from arizona. >> caller: hi, thank you both for doing this. i'm so excited to hear dr. maier's disorration here like a previous caller. i'm so excited if i was close, i'd sign up to your class and sit in the front row. >> guest: i wish my students were so excited as having me as a teacher as your listeners are, peter. >> caller: my thought is one of the previous participants had said, i believe it was with madison, that he changed his views and became a republican, and i was hoping you could explain the ideology or the comparison between the parties of the 1700s and the parties that we have today, the democratic and republican, so if you could do that, i'd appreciate it. >> guest: oh, this is a very big question, and there's a lot of ink spilled on this problem. basically, the radification of the constitution was -- there were no national parties in 1

i'm going to sue for all the plaque folks in the state of massachusetts.is like in the 1760's. to be free. can you imagine? they said wait a minute, we're going to let you and three others be free but we're not going to free all black folks. but that's an idea of our -- how our people at the early yert point used the ideals of the const

in massachusetts, the governor of massachusetts has said that the medicaid spending is unsustainable. that's different. so this is, if you will, the beta version of the affordable care act, or as i call it, the unaffordable care kt, this is the beta version but gives us an idea of what the future is going to be like. in order to deal with these costs, it says that most recently, dental benefits have been slashed, that's the quote, slashed for hundreds of thousands of massachusetts medicaid patients and they have lost access to their dentist. now by the way, the goals of health care reform are to provide affordable quality health care that is accessible to all. if you don't afford it, if you can't afford it, you eventually lose access. i think what we found in massachusetts is that the inability to afford is of course decreasing access. and it's not just the fact that these folks lost access to their den test. last year, folks who were recent imgrants to the united states, who have been enrolled in medicaid in massachusetts with -- were disenrolled. if you will this massachusetts medic

i'm going to sue for all the plaque folks in the state of massachusetts. this is like in the 1760's. to be free. can you imagine? they said wait a minute, we're going to let you and three others be free but we're not going to free all black folks. but that's an idea of our -- how our people at the early yert point used the ideals of the constitution for their freedom. so let me get -- i'm going to stay on my time. stay on my time. i want you all to know shirley and i will have been married 44 years on monday of next week -- friday of next week, and she's the best part of my day. her birthday is monday so only al williams could get us to come up here on a friday or thursday and do this but we are really appreciative to do this. up need three things for a successful life. i'm going to give you some little jewels here. something to do, someone to love, and something to look forward to. think about it. that's it. you need three things for a successful life. something to do, someone to love, and something to look forward to mpltd and shirly fulfills all three a

united states diplomats a plan like massachusetts' we will go bankrupt. i yield back. >> yields three minutes to the committee chair, mr. waxman. >> i like to commend you on the work you have done on the affordable care act. the job you were given is imposing, but you have met the leadership of steadfast commitment. at today's hearing is meant to address the president's budget proposal for hhs for fiscal year 2012. that is very far away at this point. i am much more focused on the threats and the continuing resolution passed by the house. i believe the cuts proposed by the republican budget would be just devastating to the mission of your department. the republican proposal would cut 23% from the centers for medicare and medicaid services. this will devastate the ability of the agencies to meet its basic functions like pang medicare plans, cracking down on fraud, and funding health programs. efta would see cuts of 17%, with enforcement of the new safety law got it. the cdc would be cut by 37%, living americans more exposed to viruses and illnesses. the co

the chair: i recognize the gentleman from massachusetts for five minutes. mr. frank: thank you, madam chair. i have to respond to what i just heard because it simply isn't true. the notion that the government directed people to make these loans is not true. i don't understand what directive the gentleman is referring to. and i'd be glad to yield to him. what policy, what law directed people to make loans of 120% loan to value. i yield. >> i appreciate the opportunity from the gentleman from massachusetts. fannie and freddie. mr. frank: i take back my time. understand the difference, directed and allowed. fannie mae and freddie mac never originated a loan. they could not have directed anybody to do anything. they were the secondary market. fannie mae and freddie mac could only get into action if some private entity made the loan in the first place. and beyond that, during the period when we had the increased subprime loans which some of us were trying to ban, fannie mae and freddie mac were a declining percentage. but i'll yield again to the gentleman to tell me

and traces of radiation show up in massachusetts' rain water. >>> and if the slipper fits. virginia commonwealth university makes a stunning cinderella run virginia commonwealth university makes a stunning cinderella run to the final four. captioning funded by cbs >>> good morning, everybody, good to see you on this monday. i'm terrell brown in for betty nguyen. we begin in libya this morning, under an umbrella of international air strikes, rebel forces are moving west this morning towards the capital of tripoli. allied air raids targeted moammar gadhafi's hometown sirte. there are unconfirmed reports that the city has fallen into rebel hands. earlier, rebel forces regained control of two key oil ports, ras lanuf and brega. nato is assuming command of all aerial operations in libya from the u.s. and tonight president obama will address the nation to discuss the u.s. mission in libya. joel brown is in washington with more. joel, good morning to you. >> terrell, good morning to you. white house officials say the president's speech will build on the case that he's been laying

item, former massachusetts governor mitt romney. he passed a state health insurance reform law that some believe mirrors elements of obama care. tea party patriarchs founder mark meckler is convinced that the g.o.p. 2012 candidate will have to pass the tea party test. >> the american people will identify with that's right party values, it's an acknowledgement they have to connect with the tea party. if they don't, they don't have a chance. >> is that a bum wrap against romney, there's federal funding or something wrong with his massachusetts plan that will inhibits a big turnout for him? you have read romney's book ere he explains in detail for about 10 pages what the massachusetts health plan is that he introduced? >> i haven't read the book but i don't think you need to in the political debate because he's been pinged already so such so that hess backing away from it. >> you made trade off the error? >> they doesn't try to explain what his policy was. he says it was different and let's move on. he doesn't want to own his own polic

joining us now is william blair from the massachusetts institute of technology -- leher from the massachusetts institute of technology. what is the communications futures program? >> we work together with industry partners both internationally and domestically to look at issues affecting the internet. the idea is to try to think about technologically aware policy, business strategy, and strategy where technology -- strategy-up where technology. >> what are you thinking about most these days? >> i could spend a lot of time thinking about wireless issues. i come from a regulatory economic research background, so i am especially interested in all of the non-technical sides of policies and how they interact with the internet. how do we ensure a healthy climate for the internet? how might we manage spectrum? these sorts of issues are ones i have been thinking about recently. >> when you graduated from your first college, the university of graduated withou floppy disks, computer labs, and dial-up modems. what did you see in the future in 1979? >> the notion that we would be getting to something more

i thank my friend from massachusetts for yielding. and our friend from georgia for managing the debate. there are 15 million unemployed americans as we meet this afternoon, and this is the 11th consecutive week that the majority has not brought to the floor a bill for us to work together to create an environment where small businesses and entrepreneurs could create jobs for our country. now, i do agree with the proposition that one of the ways that we could have jobs created by small businesses and entrepreneurs is to improve the country's fiscal standing and give us a low long-term interest rate in the long run and reducing our deficit is the key part of doing that. i think the issue is not if we reduce spending it's how we reduce spending. and i do think we should stop spending money to the brazilian cotton institute. i think we shouldn't spend $1.5 billion for the police department in baghdad when american cities are laying police officer off around our country. and i certainly don't think we should be giving $40 billion in subsidi