on this i'm joined in a studio by the views religious affairs correspondent matson got. many thanks for that. i'm so the pope is in mozambique how does this benefit ordinary muslim big guns i mean essentially you know there is a way in which international organizations of the size of the vatican they feel it leads that they can actually put a lot of pressure into regional governments and there's not only the case for africa and muslim be in particular but this has been the case for sort of conflict areas for instance at least where the vatican actually had a huge impact on the syrian war in the process of bringing parts together for conversation as well as and that's in america for instance the case of cuba in muslim begin particular john paul the 2nd was the last pope to visit the vatican has been very much involved in negotiating and trying to a piece of bards and bringing to the table the fact is that the country has relapse into war no for 16 years and i think that the hope of this pope and the hope of the entire diplomatic operation about this by around this pope be

he talked defined of matson south africa, and your your few days ago, to explain in a sense your feelings. he talked about feeling embarrassment and shame. and you said this isn't so and shame. and you said this isn't so much xenophobia as acrophobia. that fascinated me, what you mean by that? not one single european person, asian, or other group has been attacked. it has been directed at african people. from south africa, as well as from other african countries. remember ten people died, it was south african, two were zimbabwean. but acrophobia, you are suggesting there is something about the anger that suffer dish rack south africans are building towards foreigners which are specific and directed at fellow africans. and i wonder, why that is particularly in the light of south africa's history? well, it essentially what happened was, with the advent of migrants from other african countries, intended to be people who are poor and unskilled. just as many, many millions of black south africans are. and so, this migrant community displaced south africans from what they thought would be newjo

matson robert d. mattson walter matuza timothy j. maude charles j. mauro dorothy mauro nancy t. robert j. maxwell renee a. may tyrone may keithroy marcellus maynard robert j. mayo kathy nancy mazza edward mazzella jr. jennifer lynn mazzotta kaaria mbaya james joseph mcalary brian gerard mcaleese patricia ann mcaneney colin r. mcarthur john kevin mcavoy kenneth m. mcbrayer brendan mccabe michael mccabe thomas j. mccann justin mccarthy kevin m. mccarthy michael mccarthy >> my grandfather, rocco. though i never had the chance to mi meet you i heard so many stories. all of your grandchildren whiis they could have met you. thank you for watching over us and keeping us safe. >> and my uncle, it's been 18 years and although i have never met you, i carry your name with such great pride. the whole family misses you so much. even though we do not see you, we feel you have been with us every step of the way. may the memories of the amazing person that you were continue to be a blessing and bring more joy and light to the world. [speaking in a foreign language] god bless america. robert mcc