joining me now is "the new york times" matt apuzzo. he contributed to the reporting of their bombshell story, and pete williams, our justice correspondent. tonight's panel is also here, leanne caldwell, george will, and maria theresa kumar. matt and pete, i'm going to start with you. matt, this is your guys' bombshell here. as you might expect, we got a lot of questions also about your sourcing on this because there's a lot of angles to this. but let me start with the pushback that you've heard from justice both via our reporting here at nbc news and frankly the way rosenstein wanted to push back against your story. how confident are you of the wire part of this story? how confident are you of the 25th amendment part of the story? >> we wouldn't put it in "the new york times" if we weren't confident about it, chuck. but, you know, look, i think it makes sense that the justice department is going to say, well, he wasn't being serious because the alternative is to say, yeah, yeah, i absolutely thought that i should wear a wire. that presu