let's continue talking about this high-stakes call with moscow -- matt bodner is live in moscow. thank you for being with me. matt, has amassed troops on the border before without invading ukraine, although they did it in 2014, no problems. how serious is the threat this time around? >> reporter: well, jose, let me put it this way. what we're seeing on the russian/ukrainian border right now might very well be the largest movement of russian troops in many, many years, possibly since the end of the cold war. at the very least, it's the largest movement outside of regularly scheduled exercises. that's a key point to hold on to. you mentioned the buildup earlier this year back in april. a lot of that was couched, at least initially, as part of regular exercise movements and in many places, that did stack up. but one thing that was really interesting to watch in that last buildup was, there's a lot of attention paid towards, let's say, front-line troops, tanks, artillery, the really eye-catching items, but you didn't see the kind of logistical back end of an invasion. so i think a lot

joining me now with more on this, nbc's matt bodner.> jose, good morning. so, this is actually, as you mentioned, just one of the first of actually 11 total charges against her. and she's been in military detention since that coup back in february. today's verdict, initially four years in prison, but after that, we did see some protests break out in her support. and most recently, hearing from state television that the military leadership has decided to reduce that sentence to two years. there also seems to be some question as to whether or not she will serve that sentence at all. but nonetheless, she faces in total 11 charges. and presumably, if she's found guilty on every single one of those counts, there is a chance that she spends the rest of her days behind bars. but a lot of -- not a lot of clarity on the situation. in fact, just to give you an idea of how murky this all is, it's not even clear where she is right now. >> and matt, meanwhile, president biden and russian president putin are set to have a video call tomorrow, as tens