host: we will let matt braynard jump in. guest: president trump's inauguration, over 250 anitfa activists were arrested. not for prorating for threatening interstate commerce which is what these people have been accused of, but for real violence. destroying police cars, destroying property. over 200 of them had charges dropped. they did not spend a day in prison. they did not have their faces put on billboards or the fbi come to their homes. they did not lose their jobs, etc. this is about equal fairness under the law. it is about people being persecuted for what they did but for what they believe. i get it, a lot of people hate donald trump. i get it. that does not mean you have to hit us and our fight for justice -- you have to hate us and our fight for justice. i think that hatred for donald trump is blending people. you do not have to agree with these people. you at least have to agree they needed to be treated fairly and under the laws of our constitution. they cannot be punished because of what they believe. that is un

host: the conversation now with matt braynard. he is the organizer of justice for j6 rally taking place tomorrow. matt braynard, who are the people you don't believe have gotten justice related to january 6. guest: before that, i want to clarify something. there has been a lot of misinformation about this rally. when we begin this advocacy, we condemn all violence. we believe those that destroyed property at the capitol building or hurt police officers should be given a speedy trial, if guilty, convicted. the vast majority of people arrested in that event not charged with committing crime -- not charged with committing violence or destruction of property. historically, these individuals have been given a slap on the wrist. when alexandria ocasio-cortez stormed the speaker's office and had a sit in, those people were arrested and released. when the kavanaugh confirmation hearings were interrupted by activists, those people were arrested for interfering with government business, given a fine, and released. there is a disparity betwe

matt braynard, i see right through you.oted for donald trump in 201o see real change, but what he did on january 6 was dead wrong. what i saw was treason and sedition. the people involved with that, they should be charged with that, as well. the law for treason and sedition is they are supposed to be summarily shot. i think people that show up to support treason and sedition, i think people should be immediately locked up. guest: that is an interesting accusation. you accused me of being a phony but you did not provide any evidence. i can assure you i am legitimate. you said they should be shot. do you think alexandria ocasio-cortez should be shot? he is still listening and soak can the audience? it is quite asinine. we condemn violence, we condemn political violence. many of the people who were there were not engaged in it. they simply were in the wrong place, wrong time, as many people have been in history. we have seen them. just two months ago, there was a protest that blockaded the white house. you probably never heard

host: the conversation now with matt braynard. he is the organizer of justice for j6 rally taking place tomorrow. matt braynard, who are the people you don't believe have gotten justice related to january 6. guest: before that, i want to clarify something. there has been a lot of

. >> reporter: matt braynard is one of the rally's organizers. >> this is about the many people who werere that day who have not been charged with violence, not been accused of assaulting a police officer or destroying property and the disparate treatment they have received. >> reporter: many of the people mentioned have been charged in connection with assaulting officers. jonathan mellis, who is facing a 10-count indictment, among the charges-- assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers using a dangerous weapon pd ryan zinke is charged with violent entry and disorderly conduct on capitol grounds. for weeks, police have been concerned about a repeat of the january 6 violence that led to five deaths, more than 100 officers injured and millions of dollars in damage to the capitol building. this time around, law enforcement was prepared. late today, police told us that they made a total of four arrests out here, only one of those for possession of a firearm. errol. >> barnett: jeff pegues, thank you. a final salute today across california for three of the service members killed in

because we have a real issue with transparency in the aftermath of january. 6 event organizer matt braynard and other demonstrators say this event has nothing to do with the election or who was president. i want to fight for what i believe in and i want to teach my kids to believe in something strongly. >> do what you believe in. that's why i'm here. those in this event is about getting a message out to all americans. the need for fairness for nonviolent offenders from january 6 breach. the capitol and you should get prosecuted nobody disagrees with but it should be it should be are fair. legal system the counter protesters say those who were arrested and may still be in custody. >> are getting fair treatment these people were breaking into the capitol. >> they were areas where they were should not have been and they were directly threatening there are the fundamental democratic process. >> we have people who attacked the capitol who threaten the lives of lawmakers threaten the lives of law enforcement officers and threaten the government's. so they're getting far better treatment than they

organizer matt braynard calls them political prisoners. >> we believe the reason these people are being persecuted isn't because of what they did, but because of what they believe, and that's wrong. >> reporter: no elected officials are expected to speak at the rally, but two republican congressional candidates will. capitol police chief tom manger telling reporters tonight he expects the event to be peaceful. >> i'm wondering then if the enhanced security posture, the fence, the full activation of these officers is based on specific intelligence that it won't be, or just a desire to not leave anything to chance >> i think the answer to that is all of the above. i think we would be foolish not to take seriously the intelligence that we have at our disposal. >> reporter: that intelligence leading police to be wary of possible violence, especially between protesters and counterprotesters elsewhere in washington around capitol hill, the possibility of violence just the latest strain on a community hit by an insurrection, the killing of a police officer in april, and a day-long bomb threat

. >> reporter: that plan hatched by former trump campaign aid matt braynard who said he's expecting aboutendees for the noon event. two republican congressional candidates are slated to speak but no current elected officials. he claims the justice for j-6 rally aims to show support for the hundreds arrested for storming the capitol, whom he claims were nonviolent, including ashli babbitt who was shot dead in front of the capitol. >> reporter: law enforcement officials aren't taking braynard's word for it. every capitol police and d.c. police officer will be on duty on saturday with the national guard asked to stand by. newly placed security cameras dot the property. the capitol police chief briefing congressional leaders on intelligence about the rally on monday. >> they're handling this in a very professional, thorough way. i think they're much better prepared than things were before january 6th. >> reporter: brandy covers extremism for nbc news. >> all the extremist forums that cheered on the january 6th capitol attacks seem to believe that this event is like a false flag or a honeypot,

rally organizer, matt braynard, a former trump campaign staffer, says the says the event, which will include calls for the imprisoned january 6 rioters to be released, will be peaceful. >> the capitol police know that we are no threat. this is a theater to deter is ar people fr people from attending. >> reporter: the former president, who critics say incited the january 6 riot, endorsed this rally today, saying that people arrested in connection with january 6 are being persecuted unfairly. but those mobs of people caused more than $1 million in damage, injured more than 100 police officers, and led to five deaths. the security presence this time around looks much different. the national guard has been requested. nearby police departments are deploying, and new security cameras have been installed. >> we have to be over-prepared. we have to deal for the worst- case scenario and hope for the best-case scenario. >> reporter: the best-case scenario is that all this fencing that's surrounding the capitol and the security cameras guard against the potential for violence. officials expecti

. >> a conversation with matt braynard, the organizer of tomorrow's justice for j6 rally. he is the executive director of the group lookahead america.

. >> reporter: real organizer matt braynard telling nbc news that the fence is it unnecessary pointingp's history of peaceful protests and carmen best says capitol police are right to predict for the worst case scenario. >> one thing we do know and that is predictable is people can be unpredictable so you have to prepare for all levels acts because you just don't know for sure. >> all this comes as the fbi released new video of the suspect who left pipe bombs outside the democratic and republican headquarters buildings the night before the january 6th capitol attack. neither bomb went off, but investigators believe both were fully functional. the fbi believes the suspect is not from the d.c. area, but they know almost nothing else about the would-be bomber. perhaps the biggest remaining unsolved mystery of january 6th. >> that's garrett hake reporting. saturday marks two years since the dark day of september 11th. the ashes of ground zero in new york city underwent massive change. nbc has posted a visual display of how much the area has changed 9/11 to today. that's among a series of e

dc because we have a real issue with transparency in the aftermath of january 6 event organizer matt braynard and other demonstrators say this event has nothing to do with the election or who was president. i want to fight for what i believe in and i want to teach my kids to believe in something strongly. do what you believe in. that's why i'm here. those in this event is about getting a message out to all americans. the need for fairness for nonviolent offenders from january 6 breach. the capitol and you should get prosecuted nobody disagrees with but it should be it should be are fair. legal system the counter protesters say those who were arrested and may still be in custody. >> are getting fair treatment these people were breaking into the capitol. >> they were areas where they were should not have been and they were directly threatening the are the fundamental democratic process. >> we have people who attacked the capitol who threaten the lives of lawmakers threaten the lives of law enforcement officers and threaten the government's. so they're getting far better treatment than they dese

dc because we have a real issue with transparency in the aftermath of january 6 event organizer matt braynard and other demonstrators say this event has nothing to do with the election or who was president. i want to fight for what i believe in and i want to teach my kids to believe in something strongly. do what you believe in. that's why i'm here. those in this event is about getting a message out to all americans. the need for fairness for nonviolent offenders from january 6 breach. the capitol. and you should get prosecuted nobody disagrees with but it should be it should be are fair. legal system the counter protesters say those who were arrested and may still be in custody. >> are getting fair treatment these people were breaking into the capitol. >> they were areas where they were should not have been and they were directly threatening there are the fundamental democratic process. >> we have people who attacked the capitol who threaten the lives of lawmakers threaten the lives of law enforcement officers and threaten the government's. so they're getting far better treatment than they d

the man behind this pro-insurrectionist rally, organizer matt braynard, speak with my colleague. >> in that process we believe many innocent people were swept up and disproportionately treated better than they were in the past. >> they just happened to find themselves with feet propped up on nancy pelosi's desk. at least we saw no violence over the big lie, but make no mistake, the rise of extremism in the gop remains. joining me, dick cavanaugh, katy tubman, tyler, and susan de del persio. jim, let's start with you. what do you think was behind what we saw today? >> any anti-government movement has always been fractured for the last 40 or 50 years. they've always struggled to have big rallies. most of their rallies fizzle just like this one did. but they've had some seminal moments where violence occurred, the rally in the '30s was the big one. trump saw that, latched onto it, embraced it, supported them and then he drummed up the bigger january 6 mob for his benefit. so he wasn't there. he wasn't there now. he's not president anymore. he still wants to be boss baby, but he can't now,

because we have a real issue with transparency in the aftermath of january. 6 event organizer matt braynard and other demonstrators say this event has nothing to do with the election or who was president. i want to fight for what i believe in and i want to teach my kids to believe in something strongly. do what you believe in. that's why i'm here. those in this event is about getting a message out to all americans. the need for fairness for nonviolent offenders from january 6 breach. the capitol. and again, you should get prosecuted. nobody disagrees with but it should be it should be are fair. legal system the counter protesters say those who were arrested and may still be in custody. >> are getting fair treatment these people were breaking into the capitol. >> they were areas where they were should not have been and they were directly threatening are the fundamental democratic process. >> we have people who attacked the capitol who threaten the lives of lawmakers threaten the lives of law enforcement officers and threaten the government's. so they're getting far better treatment than they

his name's matt braynard. he's actually a trump campaign staffer from back in 2016.hat he started this "look ahead america" group. it's mostly touting conservative causes. now, what he is saying is he is assuring me that there will not be any violence. he's expecting this rally to have about 500 to 700 people. and he's saying there won't be any violence because he's stressing it to his supporters. he's blasted out tweets about this saying that everyone should be respectful toward law enforcement. he's reminding people that it is a felony to bring any weapons to washington d.c. and he's also reminding people that this is a rally that is just fighting for justice, in his words, for those capitol insurrectionists who have been charged. but, again, law enforcement is still concerned. they are taking all precautions putting up a fence around the capitol, much like they did after january 6th. here's what he said about those concerns from law enforcement. we learned that law enforcement is preparing for some people on saturday to be armed. what are you doing to ensure there

so this protest or this rally is being planned by this guy, matt braynard. he was fired according to him, and so he started this group, look ahead america. basically he is a d list player in trump world and maga politics. he, like so many others, found a really decent business off questioning the integrity of the 2020 election. he raised more than $650,000 to investigate this so-called voter fraud. we can see how that went. now, he's pivoting to january 6th conspiracy theories, claiming that the doj has sort of unfairly prosecuted january 6th people, that they were just sort of roaming around the capitol and they should all be free. so for me it is really a story about a small-time political wannabe riding the maga wave in order to make money. >> right. >> but it also really is important to say that this is a -- it is an idea that really permeates the far right. so if it were someone with a little more gravitas, if it were someone with a little better standing in maga world, we may be looking at something very, very different. >> see, this is what has been s

. >> coming up this morning, justice for j6 organizer matt braynard discusses the riot.

this event is actually have you planned by the guy, his name is matt braynard.t player who jumps from maga cause to maga cause. he raised $650,000 last year to investigate a stolen election. so this is a money-making enterprise. it's really important to remember. that all of this media attention really helped him to do just that. >> so, brandy, former president donald trump echoed yesterday that conspiracy theory you mentioned about this rally being a honeypot so the feds could arrest a bunch of people. she condemning the criminal prosecution of hundreds of supporters. in a statement yesterday, trump wrote our hearts and minds are with the people being pers suited so unfairly relating to the january 6th protest concerning the rigged presidential election. in addition to everything else, it has proven conclusionively, we are a two-third system of justice. he said justice will prevail. in a statement with the federalist, he described the rally as a setup. he said the media would use it as an excuse to bash republicans are. so, is what is the next plan here, brandy