first, let's bring in an analyst who upgraded intel this morning to neutral from underperform, matt brysonsh securities why, matt, such a positive reaction to a terrible report? >> i think it's simply how can things get worse obviously, as you said, this question has been asked before, but at this point there's not a next product that already looks disappointing. it feels like pc builds are finally picking up on the server side of things, just from a market environment, i think q2 really is the bottom in terms of demand. >> i find it ironic and humorous that you would say there's not a next product that looks disappointing on the horizon >> pretty low bar. >> that's a low bar, matt. >> you're absolutely right i think the problem stems from the fact that intel has struggled with manufacturing processes since long before pat gelsinger took over. now we're two years in it takes three to four years to shift your process, or get a new process out. next year, end of this year, next year is when we see the first set of products that you really can attribute fully to pat and his regime hitting the