today we're talking with matt demick, former director for russia in eastern europe in the us national security council. and. a kevin baron, the executive editor of defense, one news website. thank you both for joining me. kevin. let me just start with you and ask you, you know, we've had the leaks, we have, you know, little glimpses into america's views of what its allies are doing, decision making in ukraine strengths and weaknesses on the ukraine battlefield. but i guess as you step away from that, one of the lessons you see right now for this sustainability of this conflict and america's role in it. well, a lot there, look, i think the just for the leaks i 1st the story about the leaks is almost as regulatory as the leaks themselves. as you said, there are still constant see or not more decisions being made about what's true and what's not within then the british defense minister today said a data lead there false cities in those leagues. but really it shows that the larger public i think doesn't isn't paying attention to the u. k. or as much as maybe defense reporters like myself