what i think is weird is, when we grew up with matt dillon, it said, keep your guns at the city limitsthere were always ordinances about guns. it's not -- we don't have guns -- >> the bad guys have guns. that's the problem. there's no way around that -- >> do you support the nra all the way when they say they want guns in bars where people are getting drunk, they should have a gun with them. you're not for that, are you? >> i believe that responsible people carrying weapons actually reduces crime in america and saves -- >> if a responsible person walks into a saloon wearing a gun -- >> many people do, of course they do! of course they do. not everybody walks into a saloon, chris, gets drunk. >> well, that's -- some do. >> well, some do. >> and those guns are loaded. thank you. >> not necessarily -- >> you've got to be pro-life about some of this stuff. >> i am pro-life about it. >> guns and booze don't mix. do they? >> all i'm saying sta is that the more people we have responsibly carry, the less violence we'll have in this country. >> moderation in all things, rick santorum. i do root