matt dowd is with us. a different pope hasn't it? >> the symbolic actions that he is done in conjunction with what he said. he has totally flipped the view of the vatican. in very few months from symbolic action. >> the move from benedicta to francis has been abrupt. -- how he wears conducts himself. there is much more power in his words. that is why they come across more forcefully. >> he seems like a celebrity pope. wherever he goes, people may pay more attention to him. he is looking to transform the church. >> his style is very appealing. he has a very challenging message. people are listening. he does not seem to be alienating people. it is really remarkable. >> you make the distinction of personal charity. what do you mean by that? >> what is the role and how do we help the poor? in the 18th century or 19th century, new york was the heart of the matter. >> in the city, there were a lot of poor. he calls us to pay attention to the poor of this generation. he is calling on the economic systems to pay a

. >> mottoed has been credit -- matt dowd, an aide of president obama, that's what i thought was significant the holidays, you're heading there. does that say that you're not interested in being governor and you're more interested in being president? >> it doesn't say anything. i have so many friends, democrats and republicans. i'm friendly with everybody. they want me to go to new hampshire and they've asked me to make a speech and i will be doing that. it's a great group of people. i really like that state a lot. i have a lot of friends there. i'm going to go make a speech. i wouldn't take too much from it. but they have asked me. many people have asked me to make speeches. when i do, it ends up being like why is he doing that? but i do it as a thing where i have great relationships. that's all it is. >> we're a couple of days away from christmas. what are your exact plans? something fancy you'll be doing with the family? >> i'm building a place in miami, 800-acres called "trump national doral." i'll thereby and at marla goh in palm beach and i'll be all over the place. but i will be large