matt gaetz is trying to get order restored and bring back democracy to america. this is a republic and gaetz is trying to restore it. host: who do you think should replace mccarthy as speaker. caller: banks in arizona and chip roy is a good man and good guy up in montana and wonderful patriot. host: matt rosendale. he is contemplating running for senate. caller: he would do more as speaker of the house. he is wonderful man. host: more of your calls and text us and here from our viewers. this is how strong the speaker nancy pelosi was and always prevailed not only in her own position and doing the work of the american people. kevin mccarthy gave his power to win the speakership and went aalong to the maga wing and still lost his job. and rhonda in kansas, i'm an active duty military spouse and i'm concerned. host: raleigh in lag vegas. democratic caller. caller: i have watched politics since i was five years old and what the house is doing now with all the special interest groups and lobbyists and going on for years, we need to get our house in order, ok? and to ge

as far as matt gaetz, matt gaetz -- i like matt gaetz a lot, but he is totally out of control, and i think he is trying to do something for other means. that is all i have to say today. it is very frustrating, seeing what is going on and how even the speaker is being treated. thank you for having me. host: that was teresa with her comments in pennsylvania. let me go to rock in new york. caller: my comment really is for you more than the guest you have, but let me just say on the question i did not get in on time. my real problem is that somebody called in and said to you "the democrats are the nazi party." while you are doing your job, you would cut those things. this discourse is toxic. you as a journalist need to -- host: got your point. i asking the -- i ask callers to refrain from nazi comparisons. i appreciate the thought. do you have a question for scott wong? caller: no, i see him sometimes on msnbc. i appreciate the job that he is doing. the media at this point in our history is very important. host: we think scott wong does a good job as well. a story that got a decent amoun

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but because of it matt gaetz did not get either one of those.s a resolution on the government because shutting down the government cost the taxpayers more money some people actually think we saved money we actually lose money every time he shut down the government. look, we were faced with this and we ended up getting the resolution of a past rate certainly was not the resolution majority of us wanted but it was a resolution matt gaetz and a few of my colleagues forced us into. if any migrant that's coming through the border right now should have a big sign saying thank you matt gaetz or grassy us and for allowing me too come in because of his actions we were not able to get the funding resolution really wanted. arthel: it sounds like you are not a fan if you have not seen the ethics report just yet. but it sounds like if there is any level of guilt you are fine with expelling him? >> again, expelling a member of congress even though i may have serious disagreements with matt gaetz and i want to say it again he is is joe biden's favorite republi

but a lot of these members just don't want to give matt gaetz a scalp. they don't want to give him a victory. they are furious at gaetz. they believe he has thrown this institution into disarray, and the last thing they want to do is give him a victory. but that can only mean if mccarthy runs, things will be bogged down and paralyzed for some time. >> so the republicans could be meeting tonight, this evening. could you just talk about what you are hearing from democrats about the democrats' decision not to throw a lifeline to kevin mccarthy? >> reporter: yeah, this was an interesting moment, because we have been reporting up until today about the deliberations that were happening behind the scenes. democrats were keeping their powder dry and didn't know exactly what to do. they were weighing whether or not to get concessions, try to broker some sort of agreement with kevin mccarthy, perhaps that they could get more power in this chamber as the minority party virtually has no power. they weighed all these different options. but at the end of the day, when

here's matt gaetz. >> mr.aker, i rise to the privileges of the house and offer the resolution. >> the clerk will report the resolution. >> house resolution 757, resolved that the office of speaker of house of representatives was hereby declared to be vacant. >> resolution qualifies as a question of the privileges of the house. for what purpose does the gentleman from oklahoma seek recognition? >> motion to table at the desk. >> clerk will report the motion. >> oklahoma, lay the resolution on the table. >> the question is in the motion to lay the resolution on the table all in favor saaye, those opposed no. in the opinion of the chair, the ayes have. >> we wouldiest the yeas and nays. the yeas and nays are ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a 15-minute vote. >> so, just to explain what's going on right now, matt gaetz, congressman matt gaetz who is leading the effort to fire speaker mccarthy introduced what will is house resolution 757. that is a motion to vacate, to fire mcc

as far as matt gaetz, matt gaetz -- i like matt gaetz a lot, but he is totally out of control, and i he is trying to do something for other means. that is all i have to say today. it is very frustrating, seeing what is going on and how even the speaker is being treated. thank you for having me. host: that was teresa with her comments in pennsylvania. let me go to rock in new york. caller: my comment really is for you more than the guest you have, but let me just say on the question i did not get in on time. my real problem is that somebody called in and said to you "the democrats are the nazi party." while you are doing your job, you would cut those things. this discourse is toxic. you as a journalist need to -- host: got your point. i asking the -- i ask callers to refrain from nazi comparisons. i appreciate the thought. do you have a question for scott wong? caller: no, i see him sometimes on msnbc. i appreciate the job that he is doing. the media at this point in our history is very important. host: we think scott wong does a good job as well. a story that got a decent amount of a

matt gaetz is such an obvious charlatan.ing is trying to elevate his own stature, advance to a run, by making him the center of this manufactured crisis. it is so profoundly almost comically cynical. anyone with eyes can see it. anyone can recognize it. first, he forced the u.s. to the brink of a government shutdown, which would require the democrats the bail out the house with a bipartisan vote. and now he's working with democratic voters to oust mccarthy for thesame sin of a bipartisan vote. and the cynicism on the spy here, which is like the -- of our time, comes back. that cynicism is driving fellow republicans nuts, and it is working. they are totally right. gaetz is a fraud, a con artist, purely forming a chaos, at his own stature, all while raising funds from his supporters. here is the thing, here is the thing. everything that is true about matt gaetzcan be said 1000 times over about donald trump, the guy they all answered to, who runs the republican party. to all the republicans who are frustrated with how all of th

you heard matt gaetz says he's not concerned about the chaos. he says it's not him, let's the leadership creating the day os. >> matt gaetz is not concerned about the chaos. thank you so much for that great reporting. thanks to eddie. i want to bring in my panel who is -- this is an amazing panel to talk about what's going on on capitol hill. they know it very well. jackie kucinich from the "boston globe" karls from "the new york times" rhonda colvin and lee ann caldwell from "the washington post." carl, since you taught me how to cover capitol hill, sorry "new york times," what do you make of it? >> what a moment that was. one person creating such a disruption, but i will say this about matt gaetz, he has proven so far that he knows where the votes are. he talked repeatedly he could have the votes to block the spending deal, and some people doubted him. but he did have it. i think he knows he has enough republicans with him to pull this off. he was also saying, later this week, later this week, maybe he's trying to drag out the drama. it's goin

to matt gaetz -- to matt gaetz— matt gaetz. what is your reaction _ matt gaetz.ion to that? - matt gaetz. what is your reaction to that? i - matt gaetz. what is your reaction to that? i think| matt gaetz. what is your - reaction to that? i think there is a lot of _ reaction to that? i think there is a lot of frustration - reaction to that? i think there is a lot of frustration in - reaction to that? i think there is a lot of frustration in our. is a lot of frustration in our conference right now, a lot of frustration that has been building up for the last nine months. i understand the frustration when someone loses a vote. i don't think it is appropriate to suggest the chinese communists and matt gaetz have anything in common. what matt gaetz did was bring a very important issue to the floor. the speaker did not have the support and we will move forward, and we will move forward, and we will move forward in a way in my opinion that will make this country stronger and those that believe in freedom around the world stronger. in freedom around the world stronger-— i

you heard matt gaetz restate his motion to vacate.is now a vote on the motion to table the motion to vacate, so there is an effort by mccarthy allies to try to make this go away. they want this matt gaetz motion to be tabled, if it gets tabled then it practically just disappears, and i won't be brought up again unless matt gaetz gets up and brings another motion to vacate again. so. >> john: the republicans are voting awfully quickly. >> aishah: very quickly, he has about 200 on his side, he needs a few democrats to save his job. we'll see democrats, the first few democrats voting no already, plenty of democrats holding on to their votes. >> john: we'll keep watching the vote tally. back to what i was talking about. back in january, alternate names were floated, byron donalds, andy biggs, jordan, steve scalise -- i've heard repeatedly emmer, that mccarthy has not done the outreach that they expected him to do. he was a good along, get along guy, and usually good at friendly with folks. people expected him to be very different than joh

matt gaetz is giving him a leg up to be the next governor of florida.at a lot of this is about for some of these people. if you're mccarthy now, i think what you have to worry about is a jailbreak. when the outcome looks certain and now members feel like it's a free vote and for a lot of them, maybe it is good politics for whatever their future plans is to stand up to the establishment. you're probably seeing a lot of people thinking this number can get really big really fast. i don't think it's going to get above 20 but it could be beyond reach of what democrats could even do to save him at this point. it doesn't advance anything. it advances themselves. that's why so many republicans are frustrated. there's really no recourse. this is the system we've set up where they are rewarded for doing this. they get attention. they raise money. they don't need anything from leadership. they can sort of take it over and now they get to choose who the next speaker of the house is. nobody can become speaker without their endorsement. that's what they want right no

ends up supporting because they don't want it to look like what matt gaetz did was successful. . edent for that ever happening again. and that tension between, of course, gaetz and his small group of fellow travelers, and then the much larger portion of the house republican conference that supports kevin mccarthy has not gone away. in fact, it's only gotten more intense, and it's very difficult to see what person could emerge who would be able to reconcile those two factions. >> so going back to ken buck again, i asked him, betsy, if he was still confident as he seemed to be this morning that a new speaker could be in place by wednesday or thursday of next week. he seemed to maybe backtrack on that a tiny bit. is it clear what kind of time line we're looking at here, betsy? >> that's a good question. there's certainly not an immediate deadline, though there needs to be a government funding bill passed in less than two months. i just find it almost inconceivable that house republicans would be able to coalesce behind one speaker by wednesday of next week, and the fact that there's

tuesday, october 3, and this morning the ball is in kevin mccarthy's court after florida congressman matt gaetz made good on his threat, he filed a motion to have mccarthy removed as speaker of the house. mccarthy's message to gatetz ha been bring it on. now that gaetz has, republicans are likely to try procedural maneuvers to kill gaetz' motion without holding a vote to oust mccarthy directly. but mccarthy will need to turn to democrats. the whip count shows five republicans say that they are standing with gaetz. mccarthy can only afford to lose four. >> if kevin mccarthy goes and makes a dirty deal with the democrats to keep power, i think that the people in this country will rise up and go hand that their representatives and their lawmakers accept a more responsible path. >> gaetz calls it a dirty deal because democrats won't give kevin mccarthy anything for free. as one congresswoman put it, the word of the week is leverage. gaetz has been trying to convince progressive democrats to help him dethrone the speaker, one of mccarthy's allies had a warning for those democrats, the ones who might

really -- with matt gaetz holding his faith in his hands. be surprised if you lose them the way you get them. >> it's so funny. because he actually talked a lot about, first of all, this job being such a thing for him, from since he was a child, and how he did not get a job as an intern, but then he got a job as a speaker, to your point. very important to him. it was brought up on the floor today. >> yes. >> i want to play this, for mccarthy, we are -- he had plenty of blame for the conservatives, of course, in his conference, but also on the democrats. take a listen. >> i think today was a political decision by the democrats. i think the things they have done in the past her the institution. they just started moving people from committee. they just started the other things. my fear is the institution fell to them. because you can't do the job if you are eight people. you have 94%, or 96% of your entire conference, but eight people can partner with the whole other side. how do you govern? >> i am honestly trying to understand that. because h

he wants to get matt gaetz expelled from the conference. he said we should be focused on other things on the economy, on the border, on crime. here they are trying to destroy the entire trump family the democrats. the doj is protecting the biden family. the economy is a mess. gas prices are through the roof. there is a border crisis. 80% of the voters don't want joe biden. they say he is too old. they want to restrict our gas stoves. and make us buy electric democratic cars. and then they want to hire 80,000 people at the irs. this is what is happening. what is important? let's get the speaker in so we can move on as a country and allow those house investigations to kin. >> brian: 45 days until the government shuts down again. are you going to get the appropriations deals done. now nothing is being done. stephen miller last night as conservative as it gets weighed in with jesse. >> whether you like kevin or hate kevin or wherever you fall on kevin, the reality is that the republican party can not exist as a functional party. if just eight m

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he's a hero to me. >> a hero is how republican voter billy mitchell sees matt gaetz. here on the northwestern edge of florida's panhandle and gaetz's congressional district, voters like mitchell are in good company. matt gaetz believes that he did what his constituents wanted him to do. do you support that? is that what you want it? >> yes, absolutely. shut down the government for a while. maybe our money will not be going to ukraine. >> not every republican we met backs matt gaetz's decision to oust mccarthy? >> we did not think that was a good idea. we thought that this was a mistake. john roberts is chair of the republican party. >> i don't think majority of the constituents really wanted that. it would be better if we simply supported them, work together and got the job done. it's all this waste of time. republican buddy cummings had nothing to say about the gates led rebellion and a house. >> now, we don't have a leader, so i think it creates so much more chaos. >> matt gaetz would disagree. >> i don't think voting against kevin mccarthy is chaos. i think 33 trill

. >> i'm not a matt gaetz fan.m. i know him. all of that good stuff. but this is about the american people. it's not about preserving one man. >> sarah? >> a few things here. one, i don't see why democrats heading into a very contentious election wouldn't want some more chaos in the house. maybe there's not an alternative. it will reflect on republicans. on the other hand, while this is an inter-republican fight going on, this says a lot broader stuff about the incentives of individual members of congress in this current era of congress than it does i think about the republican party at this point, which is you've got members who, when they get elected, aren't hiring legislative staff. they're hiring bookers for cable tv, podcasts, for social media, because the incentives are all about protecting yourself from a primary from your flank. it's small-dollar donors that have moved both these parties far more extreme than they were in the sort of pre-campaign finance reformer e ra, and we're seeing the results of that,

thing that's interesting about this conversation, if you notice on the house floor, when you see matt gaetz speaking, he's speaking from the democratic side of the house. all the willing positions where the lecterns are are taken. they're sending a message, matt, you're with the democrats here. >> although the democrats are not speaking. the democrats are just like, this is between y'all. we have nothing to do with this. have fun. go at it. we're not supporting mccarthy. we're not supporting gaetz. you just do your thing. >> they're not wrong about that, right? this really is a making of a circumstance inside the house republican conference. it's hard to argue with the democrats sort of saying you guys work this out. it seems to me, if they -- i spoke to one democrat today. there was concern if they got too involved it would look like they were getting into betd with matt gaetz, like they were buddy-buddy. they wanted none of that kind of image pri where they were advancing matt gaetz's cause. >> can i say there's no evidence that anyone else is going to be able to do a better job than kevi

and so that is why mccarthy says it was personal with matt gaetz. matt gaetz hates mccarthy and ultimately, when you -- if you are going to -- if you are going to go after the incorporate king, you are going to kill the king, you have got to take a shot that works. matt gaetz knew when he started this motion to vacate yesterday. he knew he had the votes to do. this. >> lawrence: go ahead, brian. >> brian: there's a lot going on. number one, there's nothing that would please matt gaetz looking for an opening. did all the appropriations bills. as kevin mccarthy did explain to us why i asked directly would you why he didn't get this done the same conservatives that would eventually vote for him that are critical of him now are the ones that were holding up the aappropriations bill over the summer. he said they were doing work over the summer. if you fire a speaker every time took vacation over the summer we would have a speaker for only 269 days all the time. the real problem matt gaetz was looking for an opening to oust him and he did it. if you want

because matt gaetz's grievances are real. he has some fair grievances in terms of not getting a budget done, the promises that speaker mccarthy made but the end of the day, speaker mccarthy and leader mcconnell are the old guard that believe we shouldn't be shutting down a government. if we can't get our work done, it's on us. we shouldn't put it on federal workers. who is right and where does the gop go? >> muscle memory in the congress and the senate, all they know how to do is pass omnibuses and occasionally tax cuts and fund the military. muscle memory for actually governing as a congress is completely lost. and it's going to be a painful experience. even if they got mccarthy to pass appropriations and push them through, mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer have not shown interest to do it in the senate. it's a slow step-by-step movement and a painful one for the country to get congress and the senate to relearn like with physical therapy to actually govern. >> the thing that strikes me is we used to have a sense that people

matt gaetz want to be on tv. this is what this is about. matt gaetz wants the attention. the attention was pulled away from matt gaetz on saturday when the vast majority of us passed the cr. it was ulpull away from matt gaetz when we got the bipartisan budget agreement done in may and june, and he's schooling her on how to do tv. that's his thing. he does tv. he's a total fraud. he is a fringe, you know, guy who starts fires. he's a -- you know, he's a conflict entrepreneur. that's what he does. it's chaos and conflicts so that he can be on tv when the vast majority of us want to govern. and my hope is that we'll see some changes this week so that we can govern and govern effectively every day. >> congressman, i'm going to ask congressmanboil as well who's with us -- will democrats vote to keep him in the speaker's chair even though he's someone who has not been, you know -- not only not been working with democrats but who has gone against an agreement with the president himself and with the republicans in the senate and the democrats in the senate after the debt ceiling.

tour matt gaetz today?uest: i think we all woke up monday not knowing how this week would go, but after last night there are many republicans and especially moderates who believe matt gaetz is not a representative of the conservative party. you heard mccarthy say it several times last night, that he is not a conservative, that he has voted against conservative ideals. he is under ethics review. there is a sense from any moderates that they want to expel him or punish him for what he put them through last night. host: is that a reality or just talk? guest: i think at this point it is just talk. with the ticking time of the government funding dilemma that they are facing and now they have to nominate the new speaker and move on in this post mccarthy era, i do not think punishing matt gaetz is the number one priority for everyone right now, but it is something to keep an eye on. host: what is expected when they come back? do republicans expect this to be a drawn out or quick process of choosing the next speake

republicans are furious about matt gaetz, but at the moment matt gaetz is holding the power with a handful of members ready to send this house into something we have never seen before, the speaker being ejected. and we'll see what kevin mccarthy will do at that moment. will he put himself up for speaker again? if he does that we could be in for a long haul of many rounds and ballots until they elect a new speaker. jake. >> and lauren, if you gave sodium pentothal to house democrats, they would probably admit they find matt gaetz more distasteful than they find kevin mccarthy. but they sure don't seem ready to save kevin mccarthy either. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. that was certainly the decision coming out of the democratic caucus meeting. democrat after democrat after democrat that we spoke with made clear that there just isn't trust for house speaker kevin mccarthy, that even if he was willing to make a deal with them, which he has made clear he is not, the democrats just don't trust that he would stick to any agreement that they made. in fact, behind closed doors i'm told that hakeem

working with democrats is not sitting well with florida governor matt gaetz. it's -- he will >> from the speakership, simply for working across the aisle. this morning on cbs, speaker mccarthy said that he is ready for that fight. >> this is personal with matt. he voted against the most conservative ability to protect our border, secure our border. he is more interested in securing tv interviews than doing something. he wanted to push us into a shut down, even threatening his own district with all of the military people there that would not be paid, only because he wants to take this motion. so be it, bring it on, let's get it over with and start governing. if he's upset because he tried to push us into a shut down, and i made sure that the government didn't shut down, let's have that fight. >> joining us now, senior national correspondent for nbc news kapoor and luke broadwater, professional reporter for the new york times. where does the fight over government funding had no? >> alicia, it is now on to the appropriators to try to find that agreement. reaching

matt gaetz will be proven wrong.unce tonight, i will expel him from the government. thank you. that's what hakeem to come put and say -- we need democracy over demagogues. maturity over matt gaetz and mccarthy. thank you so much. >> hakeem jeffries is probably the speaker of the house. >> after this, weekend of kevin mccarthy tries to keep his position, if matt gaetz tries to vacate -- >> the eyebrows defy gravity. i don't know what's going. on matt gaetz is upset there is no playgrounds closer to capitol hill. do you know what i mean? okay. a little touchy. google the reference. i don't know if i will get through this. i was going to say, when i think about all the different characters on the republican side, i have asked you this before, what do you do to actually prepare for these comedy routines? >> my prep is better than the debaters let me you see stewart barney of foxes, he struggled to pronounce the fellow moderators name. i'm joined by calderon's to via -- i'm sorry, univision, spanish soap opera. what's goi

what do you do with matt gaetz? >> good to see you.here's a lot of talk around town here on capitol hill but the fact remains that matt gaetz is a duly elected member of congress and it would be un-american to deny his constituents there right to be represented and heard in our nation's capital. this is the people's house so that is nonnegotiable as far as i'm concerned. stuart: at the moment it looks like these 8 holdouts are going to be the ones with all the power in the gop. they are the ones who will decide who is the next speaker easily. >> no, i disagree with that. every member of the people's house has the exact same vote and we are entitled to vote how our constituents would like us to. i think that the people who are running for speaker and subsequent other offices in the house have turn every single vote and as we have seen in the past if you take someone for granted the margins are too thin to assume you have something in the back. we are in a tough situation and this is calling for tough leaders and tough conversations with

and mccarthy believes that's one of the things that irked matt gaetz and sparked him to do this, joe. >> sure. because matt a gaetz had plenty of opportunities during the trump administration to talk about getting spending under control and he allowed it to happen so suddenly he's a fiscal stalwart that's trying to get things under control. that leads you to the other motivation, that it is personal but i've got to go back to myselfish fantasy which is donald trump being speaker of the house because remember, during the state of the union, 50 million people watching, who was over the president's shoulder, donald trump. when joe biden says something ridiculous, you get the trump face and after the speech he tears it up like nancy pelosi and he's running impeachment proceedings against his opponent for president. how great would this be for the show? the ratings would go through the roof. maria: how about for america? how is donald trump going to run for president, do a campaign, deal with all of these indictments, did go to these trials -- go to these trials, and also run for speaker o

helping the small stand tall. >>> most house republicans are simply furious with congressman matt gaetz gingrich saying, republicans must expel gaetz. on capitol hill today, ali vitali asked jim jordan, who is running for speaker, whether he is in favor of kicking gaetz out of the republican conference. >> i don't think that's warranted. we have a four-seat majority. matt is a talented member of congress. >> reporter: a lot of people are frustrated with him. >> i understand that. sometimes that takes time. emotions get raw when you have something like this happen. i think we gotta come together. >> joining me now, garrett haake, eugene daniels, and susan page, the author of "madam speaker, nancy pelosi's life." garrett, if jim jordan wants the speaker's gavel, he will have to appease matt gaetz, am i right? >> reporter: that's right. he will have the same math problem that kevin mccarthy had and that anyone would have with this republican conference. how do you keep the matt gaetzes of the world happy while also the more institutionalist members, particularly those who were loyal to kev

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the rule allowing the a single member -- any member could have done what matt gaetz did during kevin mccarthy's time as speaker. no democrats did. gaetz, a republican, used that rule, which again, mccarthy agreed in order to get the job. which in turn made his job impossible, something the republican senate leader underscored today. >> to do that job for anyone, you have to get rid of the motion to vacate because it puts whoever the speaker is in a hammer lock of dysfunction. so -- potential dysfunction. >> that concession by mccarthy was part of a series of steps he took that have fed and nurtured the radical cleaning of his party. to borrow from jake tapper, it fed and fashiating leper that would later eat his face. that coddling of political assassins began before republicans controlled the house, starting when he abandoned his criticism of the former president just two weeks after saying he bore responsibility for january 6. it continued with the forcing out of liz cheney, after she and congressman adam kinzinger joined the january 6th committee and built into conspiracy pushers l

. >> i think yesterday we saw matt gaetz, one of the greatest acts of heresy i've seen in a while. >> matt gaetz undermined the entire conference, he undermined the entire institution. >> what they're guys doing is not the best interests of the united states of america. >> you want to come at me and call me a rhino you can kiss my -- thump your chest on, twitter yes, come to my office and -- >> i really can't believe that people like matt gaetz were so dumb to fall for this. >> he is certainly going to have to earn some respect within the conference. >> there needs to be accountability for the eight individuals who selfishly upended our house majority, and put their own interests above the country. >> matt gaetz is using the american people as pawns in his narcissistic game of charades, and i think we have had enough. >> the house is adjourned until friday, they have until tuesday or wednesday to find its weaker. a. to ukraine's intimate with all the other important things the congressman needs to do including passing measures to keep the government, going and troops paid when this we

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yeah, matt gaetz is going to try an unauthorized coup. trying to get some of the most liberal voices on the democratic side to help. i know alexandria ocasio-cortez has been a vocal supporter of his efforts. to answer the question, i do think there will be a number of democrats who understand that this kind of chaos does not serve our country well. we got a southern border in crisis and only have the government funded 40 more days. maybe we should actually focus on solving a few problems than these d.c. parlor games. >> you are also a member of the problem solvers caucus. oftentimes in moments like this the problem solvers caucus can serve as middlemen. have you been trying to work to mediate a relationship that isn't exactly a great place right now? >> there aren't a lot of things that unify democrats and republicans in congress, listen, we are a deeply divided time. one thing that does bring the problem solvers together is this idea that the stone throwers, the people who only love to knock things down, should not be running the house.

matt gaetz will only need five total. assuming all democrats also vote to kick out kevin mccarthy from the speakership. so tonight there are major questions about what democrats will do. right now huddling behind closed doors with the democratic leader, hakeem jeffries. and wolf, moments ago one republican congressman, don bacon told me preliminary discussions have begun with democrats to cut a deal. kevin mccarthy's speakership in peril as he tries to stave off a right wing revolt. congressman matt gaetz, vowing to do something never successfully done, ousting in the house, and promising not to back down until mccarthy is no longer in charge. >> we've got understand why we are here. >> reporter: the main reason? mccarthy relied on democrats to help keep the government open until next month. are you worried about throwing this institution into chaos, peril analyzing an institution that your party runs? >> you talk about chaos as if it's me forcing a few votes and filing a few motions. you don't know chaos until you've see

were outliers because when lawmakers got up to speak on either side, republicans both, it was only matt gaetzringleader here, and two others who spoke against mr. mccarthy. everyone else spoke for him and mr. gaetz stood up again and again to plug his points. it was very much that this is a fractured party, but it is a small group of rebels who were able to carry this out. on the other, it is clear that the republican majority was quite fed up with the whole process. sometimes when mr. gaetz was speaking, there were a number of groans. when one of mr. mccarthy's allies said he was proud of him the way he was able to stop the shutdown, he got a standing ovation. there were some strong emotions this afternoon. caitriona: on that small group of rebels, this hardline element in the party, where does that leave them now? their influence and their power for the next speaker, whoever that is? they clearly have a lot of control. >> they have control because the majority is so narrow. so, they can obviously create sort of chaos or make big moves. it really depends on who the next speaker is going to b

he gave matt gaetz the weapon. i know eight people voted to vacate him. none of them lead it except for gaetz. >> gaetz is the face of this. >> completely. none of the other seven would have led this thing. mccarthy gave them the weapon. and to harry and abby's point, the maga -- this is a maga conference. these eight are different. there's something else different going on here. >> one quick point here, the last meeting we heard about behind closed doors the other day, somebody called matt gaets a scumbag, it just devolved. it was disgusting and unprofessional and inappropriate. do we have any reason to believe what's about to happen in half an hour will be any different? >> no. >> they booed him on the floor today. >> they dislike him vehemently, and this is going to be much, much worse. you can't remove him for being a jek. but he'll pay some kind of price. >> it is going to be incredible. this moment that's about to happen. unprecedented moment. and of course, donald trump is now reacting to the chaos on capitol hill in his own party. will the former p

he said that if this motion to vacate continues to persist, and matt gaetz continues to make these threats doesn't think that gaetz is going to succeed in removing mccarthy. he says the republicans should revisit that rule package. the problem with, that is not clear if the votes are there in the republican conference to change the rules at this moment. there are several dozen right-wing members that forced mccarthy to give his concession, allowing any one member to go to the floor and force a vote to where the house could overthrow. it's not clear, several dozen members want to change the rules. they still like the idea of keeping him on a short leash. broadly, gaetz has indicated he's going to call this motion to vacate. it has, as luke indicated, possibly been going down to democrats. they've been keeping their powder dry. it is not really clear what they're going to do. they are at least open to a conversation about how to move forward. then you have this push and pull, which makes it very difficult to see how this happens. the democrats are not going to want to do this for nothing. th

does matt gaetz t.nd another couple hundred billion in ukraine, i don't think so usually if someone makes a stand with great speeches he las -- has a mission and a purpose, maybe a constitutional purpose, save america, kill the bill, what it this safe america kill mccarthy for what? he wants a better parking shot. >> you have a short-term goal to elect someone who will be a better speaker i don't know who that person s we have been through this, it didn't work the last time they didn't have options. and -- >> the motion to vacate passes. they go back in conference to january 2023, january of this year. >> pretty much. larry: 15 ballots. >> he will -- we'll go through the whole same process. larry: can mccarthy run again? >> i think he would,. larry: why not. >> he probably ends up winning again. if that is what this process is all about to humiliate. larry: what a -- a -- snorer. >> american people at home, we saw this with polling with government shut down first time they remember most people were blam

will they have to be thinking is, well i have to take this matt gaetz seriously. really willing to blow it all up, it gives them a lot more leverage. and it ends up in some strange way being an own goal for the democrats. like it or not, mccarthy he was not the worst a speaker can get. he was not the most radical you could get. it could be the case that we get replaced someone worse. someone that is more friendly to the matt gaetz's, and marginally taylor greens. >> and potentially more competent right. >> i agree with coleman, i held out hope that there would be some kind of, brokered deal power sharing agreement between kevin mccarthy, in the democrats. have a couple dozen democrats refrain from voting, or say hey, we'll keep you from getting ousted. democrats at this point are the party of good governing, this is bad for the countries to have a leaderless rudderless house when you are 45 days away from the defaulting -- >> do you think there's any truth to the criticism, mccarthy makes it, that democrats showed up for the good of the institution, stepped in her

host: the ethics committee investigating matt gaetz? guest: the ethics committee is looking into matt gaetz. some of the circumstances are not clear. stories about gaetz you have spoken about have been circulating for some time. in this very divided congress where republicans need to 17 votes to elect a speaker, a representative like gaetz, if he has the coalition can come and exert significant influence over the party. that is how we see members of the party exerting that influence. while we had hard wing conservatives in congress in the past. what makes this congress unique is a very small margin makes the congress control a chamber. as gates has said publicly to the media time and time again, he sees significant support in his district. as magus's district supporting him, -- as long as his district supporting him. host: what happened to the motion to vacate under speaker mike johnson? guest: it is something to see. something that is still they are. we do not know whether that is something johnson is going to push for or rather he wou

matt gaetz is all about himself. none of the networks would give him the time of day after he was you accused of sleesleeping with the underage . now he's found fame because he opposes speaker mccarthy and he's going to ride this horse as long as he can. joey: direct and thank you for that. pete: thank you very much. appreciate your time. rachel: thank you. i hope you gibb us an update on what happens to jamaal bowman. all right. thank you, senator. turning now tour headlines. starting with a fox news alert. at least 13 people are killed and four more are hurt in a spanish nightclub fire earlier this morning. firefighters are still searching through the rubble for any survivors in the southeastern city. officials say the fire started in one of the adjoining nightclubs and later spread. the cause of the fire is being investigated. the city's mayor announced three days of mourning to honor the victims. former new york city worker is suing the district attorney, alvin bragg and nypd for racial discrimination after his c

so i think ultimately this is not matt gaetz alone. but, yes, i'm sure he loves the small dollar donations and the media attention. >> yeah, and kurt, mccarthy catering with maga after january 6th, caving into maga demands in exchange for that speakership, but it wasn't enough. so is there a lesson there, selling out to maga really doesn't pay? >> yeah, it's that if you lay down with dogs, you're going to get flees. at the end of the day no matter what you do and how much you give these people, it's never going to be enough, and always ends the same way. it ends with you humiliated, being embarrassed, ends with them always turning on you. if anyone thinks if you kowtow to donald trump it's going to end well for you, go ask michael cohen how it turned out for him. ask jeff sessions. go ask john kelly how it turned out for him. the entire history of the republican party over the last six, seven years is littered with political bodies of anyone who pledged loyalty to donald trump and it doesn't end well. you don't come out any better or s

matt gaetz has not done that. yet but even mccarthy did exactly what matt gaetz had warned him not to do. that was the most significant moment that led to this. that started chain reaction. after that, you have democrats who were kind of flummoxed by this. mccarthy said any moment the house is gonna be voting on this bill, 71 pages. they have not rented read it yet -- they wanted to scour it, make sure he was not trying to push any sneaky provisions by. it but at the end of the day, they read it. they took some time -- i came jeffries and the minority leader went on for under the 52-minute speech and the decided that, apart from the fact that ukraine aid is not, they're the loss of the bill is fine by them, and the clincher happened on the other side of the capitol, when mitch mcconnell, the senate minority leader, pulled support for his own bipartisan senate bill in order to boost the prospects of this house bill passing. it essentially left democrats with no options but to move forward. and one other notable asp

host: you would prefer matt gaetz to jim jordan? caller: no, i heard bad things about matt gaetz. i want someone who is not in the maga party in there. i want all of them out of there. host: what do you think of kevin mccarthy? caller: he was okay. he worked more with the democrats. he worked more with democrats i think he would still be speaker of the house. host: this is linda, the line for republicans. caller: i am calling to let you know that the deadly think they should go for jim jordan. it is a sad thing they got rid of kevin mccarthy. he had flaws in him, but i think it is terrible that the republican party did this through matt gaetz and others, especially at a time like this. we cannot look to the democrats for our answers because if we let them in at all in any way, it is to turn back to where we lose the house. keep this in mind, we have to get this settled. no matter what we do, go for the republicans. we should be scattered together as a republican party and finish the job we started. i think jim jordan has very much with all of the things he is done and he is workin