and "20/20" goes one-on-one with that father, as matt gutman looks him straight in the eye and asks, how could you turn your only children into criminals? >>> it's an all in the family crime spree. >> that's dad in a mask and son in a fake mustache. >> reporter: it was a family affair all right. a father on an outing with his two kids, but they weren't out for fast food. they were hungry for a fast buck. these three, the catt family, didn't look like the typical jailbirds in the fbi's most wanted list. nope, they looked like they belonged in your church group, the balding dad, his pimpled son and the pretty blonde sister, still a high school senior. but apparently, the family that stayed together robbed together. have you ever seen anything like this? >> in my 20-plus years in law enforcement, i haven't, matt, a family, a bank robber. >> reporter: if news of daddy's misdeeds bewildered local cops and journalists, it blew away their own family members. >> horrible. horrible. how can i wrap my brain around this? >> the fact is they pointed guns at people. that's terrifying to me. my li

here's matt gutman. >> reporter: jameis winston, cleared again. he was cleared of sexual assault two years ago. as he won the heisman trophy, he was dogged by accusations by a fellow student that he drugged and raped her. in a legal response, a florida supreme court judge wrote that the preponderance of the evidence does not show that he violated the florida state code. matt gutman, abc news, miami. >>> and muhammad ali has been hospitalized in stable condition with pneumonia. a spokesman says the pneumonia is a mild case. the 72-year-old is also battling parkinson's disease. >>> and next to the cyber attack on sony. hackers calling their victims idiots. and tonight, north korea is issuing a bold message about the cyber war. turning it into a war of words. here's tom llamas, once again on the story for us tonight. >> reporter: tonight, north korea firing back after the u.s. publically accused the secretive nation of coordinating the cyber attack that crippled movie giant sony. a spokesman on state-run tv, claiming president obama himself orchestra

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davis, this is matt gutman from "20/20." i can hear you talking to the dogs behind the door.e packages, and why did you take the wreath? maybe the dogs know. davis has returned the ruth family's packages, and they're now wrapped up safely under the tree. and best of all for marti ruth, her wreath is back where it belongs. don't mess with this lady's wreath. >> exactly. >> that's right. >>> next, the bah humbug award goes to this guy. when they didn't like his lights, he declared war with a nightmare christmas. but it's no silent night when we go after him. when "20/20" returns. ♪ ♪you better pledge your allegiance♪ ♪you're not the only one ♪listen up forefathers ♪i'm not your son ♪you better help the children ♪let them have some fun ♪some fun ♪some fun. what if you could give her diamonds... in her favorite color? diamonds that capture her look, her style...perfectly. kay jewelers presents the artistry diamonds collection. genuine diamonds, in vivid blues, greens, blacks, yellows and purples. and right now save up to 30% off select artistry diamonds in a palette of colors, at

matt gutman with that report. abc's senior meteorologist rob marciano is tracking that christmas eve storm. >> reporter: tomorrow, slightly less volatile day today. we had damaging storms in georgia, north carolina, and now in kentucky with winds over 50-mile-an-hour there, damage to at least one home. let's go through the storm. the storms move offshore and pour through the center of this thing. the back side does have a little bit of snow. most of the precip should be done bill tomorrow noontime. and then cooler air and windy candidates for christmas day. the snow is going to be out west. it's been a stellar ski season so far. with over a foot in some spots expected there. so if you're looking for a white christmas, you have to head west, tom. >> good to know. rob, thank you so much. >>> now, to a late breaking development in fight against ebola. the cdc says a lab technician may have been exposed to the virus after a mistake at their high security lab in atlanta. that's the same facility that earlier this year

matt gutman, abc news, miami. >>> now, to a major american city, suddenly plunging into darkness. detroit, crippled by a major power outage. traffic lights going dark, schools in the dark, as well. this hallway, pitch black. one student actually reading using the light on his cell phone. abc's tom llamas is in detroit this evening, where they are asking serious questions about america's aging infrastructure. >> reporter: tonight, the city of detroit recovering from a massive power outage. just after 10:30 this morning, the lights went out across downtown detroit, cutting power to 1,400 buildings. watch as the lights go out during a murder trial -- these lawyers left in the dark. traffic lights out, trains stalled, the detroit red wings arena pitch black. workers evacuating from city buildings. >> the computer just said boom, so it just went out. >> reporter: some being helped out on stretchers. detroit public schools sending some children home early, as others tried to work by the light of their cell phones. wayne state university students told us they were scared. >> it went comp

matt gutman, abc news, miami. >> matt makes a good gorilla. i'm tom llamas in new york.rst thing in the morning. have a great evening. good night. bergeron: here's a sneak peek at tonight's "afv." we dare you not to laugh. aah! ooh! woman: put your arms down lower, j-- oh! [ cellphone rings ] [ gasps ] aah! [ glass shatters ] get in! [ man laughs ] welcome to "america's funniest home videos." and now here he is the host of "afv"... together: tom bergeron! [ cheers and applause ]

matt gutman, abc news, miami. >> matt makes a good gorilla. i'm tom llamas in new york.rst thing in the morning. have a great evening. good night. >>> next at 6:00, it's official. coach harbaugh and the 49ers are parting ways. his final word for fans players, and the organization after leading his team to one more win. >>> plus an update on a deadly bicycle crash in the east bay that claimed the life of a popular assistant principal. we're live in silicon valley for the last super dished up by a restaurant opened up for nearly six decades. abc7 news at 6:00 starts now. >> his final game will be a victorious game. >> a goodbye gatorade splash ends the jim harbaughary a for the san francisco 49ers. nced the two will part ways. good evening. coach harbaugh is expected to head to his alma mater, university of michigan and the 49ers have begun their search for a any coach. we're joined now by our own former 49er, mike shumann. what now? >> i tell you let's deal with the current thing first. 49ers put another a statement after today's game they and jim harbaugh have mutually d

here now abc's matt gutman. >> reporter: the shirts are pressed, classrooms neat.ething missing at this public middle school. girls. >> there's no one to distract you. >> so girls distract you? >> yeah. >> reporter: you think the boys-only atmosphere might breed machismo. maybe not. >> i've had students who share poetry who cry. the boys get out of there seat, and they're like, oh, man, it's okay. i've had that experience. you'd never see that in a coed class. >> reporter: private schools have long separated the sexes. for public schools, this is unchartered territory. the department of education lists a total of 850 entirely single-sex public schools nationwide, up from just 34 a decade ago. principal john haley says it's not just his students' grades that have soared since the school went single ed. >> last year an "a" school. >> from d to a in three years? >> correct. >> reporter: two miles away -- >> you have to believe in the concept. >> reporter: carol french says girls like miriam are far more academically adventurous. >> people aren't going to judge you. yo

matt gutman, abc news, miami. >> an interesting job. sure she's accepted by gorillas. that's the whole point of this. you can't humanize it. >> you have to be gorilla-like enough. that's interesting. >> i thought matt did a good job. looked pretty good in that suit. they are so cute. we've seen it in nature. they've had other animals be surrogates to rejected little animals like that. and it works. >> cheetahs with dogs is another example. it works. scientists, they figure this stuff out. >> good luck to the little one. >> announcer: this is abc's "world news now," informing insomniacs for two decades. hi, anne. how are you doing? hi, evelyn. i know it's been a difficult time since your mom passed away. yeah. i miss her a lot but i'm okay. wow. that was fast. this is the check i've been waiting for. mom had a guaranteed acceptance life insurance policy through the colonial penn program, and this will really help with the cost of her final expenses. they have been so helpful and supportive during this time. maybe i should give them a cal

abc's matt gutman has more. >> reporter: jameis winston seemingly cleared again.olating school conduct in a case of sexual assault two years ago. as he won the coveted heisman and led his team to the national championship last year, winston was dogged by allegations from a fellow student that he raped her at an off-campus apartment in 2012. police in tallahassee investigated but controversially chose not to charge winston or even question him directly at the time. a former florida state supreme court directly addressing winston wrote, the preponderance of the evidence has not shown that you are responsible for any of the charged violations of the code. adding neither his version of the story nor hers was more probable than the other. the accuser's attorney called this not a decision but a statement that the judge couldn't decide. matt gutman, abc news, miami. >>> police are warning it's illegal to sell an item that's apparently becoming somewhat popular on the internet. ads for positive pregnancy tests can now be found on craigslist in several states across the co

matt gutman, abc news, miami. >> they make it look so easy. >> now i know.bottle of wart. >> remind me not to accept any gifts from you. >> no, they're going to be good gifts. i can afford a lot of that stuff. no, i'm kidding. but who knew. >> don't end up in our dumb criminal file. >>> coming up here, bono could not perform so celebrities showed up to lead a u2 concert. >>> and gq's award winner just might surprise you. that's up in "the skinny." >> announcer: "world news now" continues after this from our abc stations. winner. just might surprise you. that's up next in "the skinny." you're in a group most likely to develop skin cancer, including melanoma. that's why your best shot is to check for a spot. follow through and check your skin. go to spotskincancer.org to find out how. ♪ skinny ♪ skinny so skinny ♪ >>> leading us off is last night's big concert in times square in honor of world aids day. u2. with lead singer bono recovering from the nasty bike accident he had a good pair of understudies filling in. coldplay's chris martin and the boss, bruce sp

matt gutman with the images of the bears taking over the neighborhood. >> reporter: from the trees to the trash cans. on wednesday night, attacking jean barber, walking her dog. tonight, florida fish and wildlife telling us this is the ninth nuisance bear they've trapped and killed in four weeks. just before that, a photographer capturing pictures of the same group of bears in trees. bear attacks on the rise nationwide, killing six ameri n americaninamerica americans this year. but central florida, ground central for bear attacks. this woman was attacked in her own garage in her hometown. and this man says if you were attacked -- >> cover your face and neck. >> reporter: experts all agree, never run. it triggers their predatory instinct. >>> still much more ahead on "world news tonight" this friday. the conversations caught on tape. face to face, gio benitez tracki tracki tracking your stolen goods. when you're ripped off, where do your goods end up? >>> and the big story from the vatican, even pope francis didn't know about that. >>> and the iconic voice from star wars. one-on-one wi

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matt gutman, abc news, miami. >> they make it look so easy. >> now i know. bear and bottle of water. >> remind me not to accept any gifts from you. >> no, they're going to be good gifts. i can afford a lot of that stuff. no, i'm kidding. but who knew. the tricks of the trade. >> don't end up in our dumb criminal file. >>> coming up here, bono could not perform so superstars showed up to lead a youtube concert. >>> also qg's pop star of the year award winner. just might surprise you. that's up next in "the ♪ skinny so skinny ♪ >>> leading us off is last night's big concert in times square in honor of world aids day. the headlining act was arguably the world's biggest rock band, u2. with lead singer bono recovering from the nasty bike accident he had a good pair of understudies filling in. coldplay's chris martin and the boss, bruce springsteen. there he is. >> pretty good stand-ins. martin took the stage wearing a t-shirt with a substitute pun on it. and then it was springsteen. ♪ ♪ but i still haven't found what i'm looking for ♪ >> ♪ what i'm looking for i

matt gutman, abc news, miami. >> an interesting job.cepted by gorillas. that's the whole point of this. you can't humanize it. >> you have to be gorilla-like enough. that's interesting. >> i thought matt did a good job. looked pretty good in that suit. they are so cute. we've seen it in nature. they've had other animals be surrogates to rejected little animals like that. and it works. >> cheetahs with dogs is another example. it works. scientists, they figure this stuff out. >> good luck to the little one. >> announcer: this is abc's "world news now," informing insomniacs for two decades. >>> making news in america this morning, breaking overnight, the search expands for the missing airasia plane. the new clues surfacing this morning and the family that missed the flight because of an e-mail mix-up. >>> happening now hundreds evacuated from a burning ferry. we're hearing from the survivors as many more passengers wait for rescue. >>> shark attack. the california surfer pulled underwater by a great white. his surof psurfboard showing the

matt gutman with the images of the bears taking over the neighborhood. >> reporter: from the trees to the trash cans. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: this video showing bears descending. on wednesday night, attacking jean barber, walking her dog. >> a bear approached her, bit her on the arm, exited. >> reporter: tonight, florida fish and wildlife telling us this is the ninth nuisance bear they've trapped and killed in just the past few weeks. just before that, a photographer capturing pictures of the same group of bears in trees. in driveways, neighbors apparently taking notice. bear attacks on the rise nationwide, killing six americans this year. but central florida, arguably ground zero for black bear attacks. >> she said a bear attacked her. >> reporter: this woman was attacked in her own garage in the same town. last month, i spent a day with this bear trainer. he says if you were attacked -- >> cover your face and neck. >> reporter: if you see a bear, experts all agree, never run. it only triggers their predatory instinct. david? >>> matt, thank you. >>> still much more ahead on "wor

matt gutman, abc news, miami. >> talk about luck. there's an element of luck involved. the island. simply incredible. >> this scares me about going out at sea. >> an the water? >> i'd get lost. >> there was no missing persons report ever filed. >> that wouldn't be the case with me hopefully. >> unless somebody wanted to -- >> but you'd notice i was gone, right? >> maybe. i'd notice because the coughing would stop. >> there's that. >>> we'll be right back with an expert parenting advice. you have to hear this one. it's pretty good for the holidays. >> announcer: "world news now" continues after t >>> most kids know the hot toys to ask santa for this year. what really makes the holidays extra special and how do you maintain your sanity without going overboard. you don't have to be a parent to know how crazy this time of year can be for kids. joining us, a "washington post" columnist and parent coach with positively parenting. megan, welcome. >> thank you so much for having me. >> when you look back at your childhood memories, what is it that kids really remember with chri

here's matt gutman with the pictures. >> reporter: from the sky, you can see the castaway desperately waving his arms. a robinson krusoe emerging from his makeshift camp on the beach. a coast guard plane noticing smoke from a deserted bahamas island monday. >> they dropped food and water and a radio to him to better be able to find out what kind of stress he's in. >> reporter: you can see larry sutterfield draking those supplies onto shore. using the radio to tell pilots he had been stranded for six days. five of them on the water. on this motorized raft. and more than 24 hours on this speck of an island in the bahamas between florida and cuba. so, he was drifting for five days. how far do you think he drifted? >> roughly 75 to 80 miles. >> reporter: sutterfield's rescuers say he went adrift when the raft's motor conked out. turns out that smoke signal saved his life. now, the coast guard says, aside from a pretty bad southernburn, their castaway is in good condition tonight. david? >> matt, thank you. >>> coming up here, who famously said, ain't no sunshine when she's gone. >>> bill

abc's matt gutman with the pictures. >> reporter: you're not seeing double.hese are two school buses, burned into husks. one in texas with ten kids aboard and this one in polk county, florida. >> 911, emergency? >> reporter: that florida inferno video captured on video by passing motorists. >> he was still driving when it was on fire. he didn't know it was on fire. >> reporter: on board, 38 middle schoolers, one brave teacher and substitute driver. >> once the flames broke out, i'm assuming it mixed with the gas, because the smoke became black. it filled the entire interstate. >> reporter: even blacking out traffic cameras, growing hotter. >> i was worried that the bus might explode. >> reporter: you with hear her with the 911 dispatcher, staying in teacher mode, even though the bus is engulfed. >> line up against the black, please. line up. move down, please. >> reporter: and in both of those bus fires, the heroic bus drivers managed to get all of the kids off the bus and in both incidents, every one of them, unscathed, david. >> incredible, matt, thank you.

for "good morning america," matt gutman, abc news, miami. >> the big debate here, when to play dead andhen to run like the wind? >> a very crucial distinction. >> we don't want to make z-- >> i got loud with a black bear once. he looked at me and laughed. >>> first off, big winds. santa anas. over 80 miles an hour in the montecito hills. a 40-mile-an-hour range. it will be mild. the plus side here. it will be dry. 71 in vegas. a little bit of moisture up the east coast. freezing rain advisories for parts of virginia. 43 and a sprinkle of a flurry here in new york city. your local forecast, 30 seconds away. >> >> reporter: good morning i'm meteorologist karen rogers it is 31 degrees we're dry right now. let's go outside. it is cold out there, that's for sure. we see lots of clouds. let's check the exclusive accuweather seven-day forecast, cloud skies today damp and showers building in especially later this afternoon and evening, not terribly wet. 4 # degrees is the high. tomorrow, mild, on and off showers and drizzle. 52 is the high. wednesday, high 61. wet and dreary. manhunt. new devel

matt gutman, abc, tampa. >> the poll surprised me. 78% said no. >> can i and you something, hearing the boys say that about the girls. maybe if they were around girls more, mbeay have different responses. girls are more than all of those things. i'm a big fan of having kids learn and mixing it up. >> it's done well in private schools. public schools, maybe the option. if you know your child well enough to know in this situation or not? but just so carte blanche. >> and george likes working with girls. >> he better. both at home and here. he has no choice. >>> up next in our heat index, dating secrets from the millionaire match maker herself, the host of the hit series revealing her dos and don'ts of successful dating and how to get past the first date. first, here's she she smara sch with the story. >> reporter: reality tv's dating guru. pay stinker, aka the millionaire match maker turns dating uh-ohs into oh yeahs. now with a new season on the horizon, patty's rolling out the red carpet with a star-studded clientele looking for love.

abc's matt gutman has the story. >> reporter: 'tis the season for shopping and shoplifters. 25,000 shoplifters active every hour across the country. the loss to retailers, in the billions. this means higher prices for us. so to find out what the watch for when the five-fingered discounters try to cash in this season -- >> hey, how many states do you think you worked in? >> one year, i hit the whole 50. >> reporter: i sat down with a convicted shoplift person the unassuming 46-year-old has strold out of hundreds of retailers over his career carrying merchandise worth millions. watch him at work. on store security camera. his signature move, box-stuffing. watch him pack num ros electronic gaping pads into that empty box. then he buys the $34 box and has hundreds of dollars of goods inside. he had shoplifting down a science. >> there's only five methods. on you, if you're a female, it's in the purse. in a bag. in a shopping cart. or it's in a box. >> reporter: making thousands of dollars of merchandise disappear in front of the cashier takes some sleight of hand. two key props.

matt gutman has the latest. >> reporter: 7500 square feet, 200 sprawling acres.prawling swimming pool. it appeared that justin and jenna dean were living the life in this mansion in keystone, florida. police say they're nothing but a couple of squatters. officials say they moved into the foreclosed mansion in september, claiming they purchased a deed at a discount. >> the quitclaim deed that was filed was fraudulent. it was made up from pieces of other deeds. >> reporter: they might have been home free if not for their facebook posts. jenna writing one. this is the house we just bought. we have a lot of work to do. and police say the pair did do some renovating of sorts. >> the locks had been changed on the residence. and some no trespassing signs had been put up. >> reporter: but when a couple from ohio actually bought the home for $1.1 million that the dean's house of cards really started to collapse. >> another couple was interested in purchasing the home. they put a down payment on it. that's when the false deed was found. >> reporter: squatting is a phenomen

abc's matt gutman is there. >> reporter: sirens howling and a line of deadly storms over the past 24in in tallahassee and a confirmed tornado in north carolina. rain walloping the whole east coast. tornadoes jackhammering the south. at least four dead. an ef-2 slinging 125-mile-per-hour winds in rural mississippi. in columbia, mississippi, the ef-3 twister so powerful it flipped semis, obliterated homes and businesses, wrapping siding around trees. and tipping over this ambulance with a patient in it. in this forest of snapped pine trees, you'll find the contents of people's homes strewn everywhere. pillows, children's clothing, even suitcases. denise wasn't sure she'd survive. somehow you wound up all the way in there underneath all that debris. >> christmas changes everything. my husband could be planning a funeral today, you know? i'm just very thankful that god had mercy on us and protected us. >> reporter: the work begins with restoring power to this hard-hit community. locals bent over salvaging what they could. this was michael wilson's home. >> the walls and the door, everyth

abc's matt gutman has the latest. >> reporter: storms scouring kentucky with 55 mile per hour winds,ting homes and businesses and tipping over this ambulance with a patient inside. it was there that we found danny patterson picking through the remains of his body shop. >> i was in the truck, and sat in the bottom. the spin was spinning around. >> reporter: he was shocked and gladdened that his employee survived. ed you you wound up in there and under the debris? >> we sang a song at church, that christmas changes everything. and it makes me very thankful. i guess it has changed my christmas. >> reporter: crew this is morning have restored power to parts of the town. where neighborhoods once stood, locals bent over salvaging what they could. this was michael wilson's home. >> i ran through the door, everything was still here. i grabbed them and laid on top of them. within five minutes -- five seconds, it was gone. >> reporter: now drying out, memories of better times. but wilson and his mother-in-law feeling blessed. >> they're going to be with me for christmas. can't ask for no more.

abc's matt gutman has our story. >> reporter: this is the moment larry sutterfield saw salvation. desperate ly waving his arms, stumbling from his camp. and the coast guard flying a routine mission noticed something on an unhabited island. >> came out waving his arms. >> reporter: they drops food, water and a radio to this real life robinson crew sew. here you see him hauling the barrel to shore and using the radio to tell the pilots he had been stranded six days after setting out from the florida keys. five days adrift on this dingy before come on this speck of an island, cay say. >> how far did he drift? >> 70 to 80 mile. >> reporter: what was he wearing? >> he was naked. >> reporter: he was like in castaway. but he was better prepared. >> he was supposed to be camping off an island in marathon, florida. he was in relatively good condition. >> reporter: this morning he's recovering in the florida keys with a bad sunburn, but one heck of a story to tell. for "good morning america," matt gutman, abc news, miami. >> well, i can't think of anything worse than that, except maybe this

abc's matt gutman has our story. >> reporter: this is the moment larry sutterfield saw salvation. castaway desperately waving his arm, stumbling from his makeshift beach camp. pilots flying a routine mission near the florida keys monday, by chance noticed something on an uninhabited bohemian island. >> came out waving his arms. >> reporter: they drops food, water and a radio to this real life robinson caruso. here you see 39-year-old sutter field hauling that barrel to shore and using the radio to tell the pilots he's been stranded for six days, after setting out from the florida keys. five days adrift at sea on this dingy, before miraculously coming aupon this tiny spec of an island, cay sal bank between t bahamas and cuba. >> how far did he drift? >> would i say 70 to 80 miles? >> reporter: what was he wearing? >> he was naked. >> reporter: he was like in castaway. but he was better prepared. >> he was supposed to be camping off an island in marathon, florida. believe it or not, he was actually in relatively good condition. >> reporter: this morning he's recovering in the florid

abc's matt gutman has the incredible story. >> reporter: 15-year-old leah reeder is walking her dog,alph, near her home in east point, florida, just after 6:00 p.m. sunday. >> she seen ralph get antsy and start barking. when she looked up, it was just black. the bear was on top of her. started attacking her. drug her into the ditch. >> reporter: as the bear bit her leg and dragged her off the road, reeder's mom said her daughter first tried screaming for help. when no one came, she tried playing dead. that's when ralph stepped in. the springer spaniel coming to her owner's rescue, lunging at the bear, sending it back into the woods. despite serious injuries to her legs, back, neck, and face. she was able to walk to her father's house a block away before going to the hospital where she underwent surgery. she is expected to be okay. at least six other people have been killed in bear attacks in north america this year. reeder's mom said she alerted wildlife officials in the past about the number of bears in east point, but to no avail. >> one of the men told me, until these bears take s