other camps like matt hausen. it was a very big camp, and i got in very early. and it was a terrible, you know where they were killing people by throwing them off the cliff into the quarry down below. guzen one and guzen two and of course the mass graves everywhere. and i, it was tie fuss in the camp and i couldn't spend the night there. i had to get out of the camp as fast as i could. i did my work and got out of there. i wouldn't spend the night there. and dysentery. people lying around in their own filth and exkrement, one on tomorrow of the other, three, four, five people in the bunk, everybody sick, throwing up, blowing at both ends, and the stench and the disease and the despair, and somebody holding up a hand for a glass of water or a drink or something like that. so it's really, you know, quite unimaginable to a normal mind and that people could subject other people to that kind of treatment is something i will never recover from. go on with your questions. >> did you have to leave when you would go into a kanlen f ca while to get out? >> not to get away