matt heinbach. >> whites haven't had our own country. ltiracial society from the beginning. >> reporter: matt is here because he believes he's found an ally, someone who also believes that races must separate. >> i think it's important to speak out to white nationalists. >> reporter: they are in many ways two sides of the same coin. matt's race shaped in part by the reading of his history. dawa in his experience as a gulf war veteran. >> in iraq, they were saying hey, black soldier, sit in the corner, why are you here fighting a white man's war. >> reporter: i don't see the world as he sees it. you're angry and matt is angry. >> i see atrocities against people. why aren't you angry. aren't you black? >> yes, sir. >> really? seriously, though, this man seems to be more in line with what i'm saying than you are. that's the thing that trips me up. >> why are we adversaries? we're not adversaries. >> why are you acting like we are? >> reporter: i'm not. >> do i think we're going to be best friends tomorrow? no. but i think there's a lot of ov