we have some libertarians leadin this historian, carl richard, and matt kibbe fights the government. matt, are we becoming rome? >> i think that we are. i think that the parallels are quite ominous. the expansion of foreign policy, the arrogance of executive power taking over our country. but i do think we have a chance to stop it. i believe that their similarities with the fall of rome and the republic they are in engagement of political leaders and so on. i see some of that. john: corruption, etc.? >> it is sort of under the table corruption. but it doesn't bother me a much as the over things. for instance, the roman constitution had a to permit limited to one year and people just kept voting for this unconstitutional leader. john: now we have congress passing laws that haven't read. >> that's right, we had presidents of both parties saying that i am not for certain about these laws. taking property, selling it to someone else, and yet you can always find parallels. but the fact that we are meeting come i think it shows the antidote is coming about. we, the people, we have not gone

the libertarian, matt kibbe of freedom works, a group that fights against big government. matt, you first, are we becoming rome? >> i think we. i think the parallels are quite homino ominous, the denbts, the arrogance of executive power taking over our country, but i think we have a chance to stop it. >> carl? >> i think there are similarities not only with the fall of the empire, which is watt most people talk about when they talk about the fall of rome, but the fall of the republic, which was 500 years earlier. there i seen romans in unconstitutional acts? h >> like stuffing ballot boxes? >> that did happen, that's bad, obviously, but it doesn't bother me as much as the old things, for instance, mary was elected counsel six years in a row even though under the roman constitution, it was term limited to one year. and people kept voting for him. they knew it was unconstitutional, that kind of stuff. >> now we have congress passing laws they haven't read. >> right, and presidents of both parties, legislating by executive order. saying i'm not going to enforce certain laws be

matt kibbe is president and ceo of freedom works. great to have both of you.hank you for joining me. i want to get some reaction to what governor walker was talking about, the need to work together. we're not going to get all the things we want. amy, do you feel like there's room in the republican party, and room from the tea party to say, yeah, you know what, you're not exactly pleased with everything you're doing, but it's better than having pelosi and reid running the show? >> well, i would say that we all want to take back the senate. i don't think there's anybody who has caused as much obstruction as harry reid, but regardless of what matt and i say here, these people out in america have their own mind, and they're going to do what they want to do. and they do want to get rid of some people that are in office that are republicans that when they vote with the democrats sometimes more than they do with the republicans. and when you have those people, it waters down our brand, and we just cannot continue down this path. what is so refreshing about rand paul