matt kibbe on this show a lot said, quote, between the grassroots frustration with mitch mcconnell andith john boehner, it's the perfect storm. and conservative blogger erick erickson wrote that republicans had abdicated their responsibility. quote, mitch mcconnell was the deciding vote in the senate to move forward. john boehner and erik cantor structured this deal in the house. primaries matter. until you defeat these guys, you will do nothing to change washington. this is a mutiny. >> now, i like congressman latourette, and i feel his pain. but i wonder if he is being a little too optimistic when he says this is just a small segment of the republican base. because even without ted cruz, you have all these groups out there, a lot of them getting big funding from the koch brothers and others, and they're appealing to a wider swath. >> okay. >> and you would still have a mutiny against mcconnell, a mutiny against boehner without ted cruz. >> he is engaged. >> be engaged. >> listen, david, i couldn't disagree with you more. my problem with these folks, matt kibbe and the rest and erick