. >> reporter: orange county prosecutor matt murphy later reviewed the case. everything the killer must have touched -- the steering wheel, above the glove compartment, the driver's side armrest, and of course, the trunk release. but one noteworthy place where there was no blood? the driver's side seat lever. 4'11" cathy drove her car with the seat moved closest to the steering wheel. but when police found the car, the seat was racked all the way back. suggesting that somebody taller than cathy was operating the car. >> not only operating the car, but did that before the murder itself took place. because that was touched, and that seat was moved without any transfer of blood at all. so the seat was moved back before the killing started. >> reporter: and if so, perhaps it was because cathy knew her killer and opened the door for him or her. investigators also found cathy's right shoe on the floorboard of her car and her sock covered in dirt. she got out of the car? >> yes, absolutely. cathy had fled from the vehicle on foot, had most likely been caught and atta

whatever it was, matt murphy saw that and went in for the kill. >> were you tearing up when you wroteere you tearing up when you did that? >> yes. >> okay. you were actually at the computer tearing up as you were going to break a mother's heart by essentially blaming her for the death of her son? that was making you feel sad? >> it was one of the many emotions i felt, yes. >> that was 100% con. that was manipulator par excellence, trying to work my jury. he's trying to make the jury feel sorry for him after all the destruction that he's caused. there's no getting emotional when you're a ruthless killer like that. >> in front of the jury, ed shin does not budge from his claim that this was all self-defense. >> as for the body, well, ed shin has an answer for that as well. he claims he hired a russian to dispose of the body. >> i've always believed he drove him out to the desert. and he dumped him. >> you're familiar with the phrase, the truth will set you free? >> yes. >> so here we've got a skull. somewhere out there in the world, right now, that if your story is true, it's gonna matc

matt, how are you doing? >> 1, 2, 3. mr. steyer: did you see the murphy?at, eddie america's dad. that the most fun i could think of on saturday night was being here. >> [indiscernible chatter] mr. steyer: thank you very much for coming. what is your name? barb? barb, tom. i was at drake university in des moines at the beginning of 2016, on the campus. iowa, they take it seriously. it is incredible. >> i am with the college. we also got to see the candidates back then. 1984. mr. steyer: i am 1979. i am an emergency medicine doctor. i was 27 when i started medical school. tom: my son is 26 and as a first-year medical student batch and is -- and is a first-year medical student. he worked in a clinic for farmworkers. he is very excited about med school. >> does he know what he wants to specialize in? i think he wants to be a gp. >> america needs them. if anyone on your campaign once a physician's perspective on health care. >> i really enjoyed it. you spoke very well. mr. steyer: thank you, guys. it is really important for me to hear what people are thinking about. if you don't, you

matt gaetz, tom massey of kentucky, and francis rooney of florida as well. the wars voting against powers resolution, anthony of , joe cunningham, kendra and, -- ben mcadams stephanie murphyf florida you can find more of that vote including how it broke down when .ou go to our website n is next in wisconsin. caller: i think nancy pelosi is one of the only adults in the room with the situation and when you look at the clinton impeachment, they had everybody's testimony and testify iname in to their depositions and stuff, this we did not get with white house blocking people from testifying, so we did not get all the information and republicans have decided they are not going to follow through with impeachment. this cannot be any kind of fair trial. they are working with the president. let's work with the accused. that is like having the prosecution work with the accused to get them off. how fair can that be? host: california from our republican line. hello. caller: yes, good morning, c-span. to say.nly one comment days maximum, that is it. host: what is the value in that? both housesvalue is should be doing what the people sent them there in washington. host: it was mitch m