and he said he he wanted to move matt rhoades up to boston, i thought that was a good indication that he was specific about running. >> i was with governor romney in 2008 and on the plane back to boston, they were trying to arrange peoples lives. and he did not sound like a person who is plotting another run. he seemed exhausted by politics. then there were developments that happened in new jersey and other victories, like in virginia and republicans are on the march. i think that mitt romney felt, he said so in his speech in 2011, he said he felt he had something to offer with respect to his skills and jobs and the economy. that is why there was a precise moment. >> i think it is a process that happens over time. there are a myriad of factors that could take precedence. but certainly at the time the matt rhoades came out, we knew. >> you were in the white house and you have always done a lot of congressional politics. but you are a political junkie and so forth. what was your review? did you find yourself effectively following mitt romney, the republican presidential. >> could you ta

let's talk to matt rhoades. i thought that was a pretty good indication that he was very serious about thinking of running. >> i was with governor romney in 2008 during that presidential campaign. on the plane back to washington, he was busy trying to arrange people's lives. he did not sound like a person who was plotting another run. he seemed exhausted by politics. but then there were developments that happened. the chris christie victory in new jersey. bob mcdonnell victory in virginia. seems like republicans were on a march and playing defense on issues relating to the economy. i think mitt felt in 2011 that he was compelled to get involved. with respect to his skills and jobs and the economy. that is why he got in at that precise moment. >> when he said the light switch went on? >> i do not think so. it is a process that happens over time. there are a number of factors to take into account. matt came up and we knew that he was moving in that direction. >> you are in the white house. you're a political junki

let's talk to matt rhoades. i thought that was a pretty good indication that he was very serious about thinking of running. >> i was with governor romney in 2008 during that presidential campaign. on the plane back to washington , he was busy trying to arrange people's lives. he did not sound like a person who was plotting another run. he seemed exhausted by politics. but then there were developments that happened. the chris christie victory in new jersey. bob mcdonnell victory in virginia. seems like republicans were on a march and playing defense on issues relating to the economy. i think mitt felt in 2011 that he was compelled to get involved. with respect to his skills and jobs and the economy. that is why he got in at that precise moment. >> when he said the light switch went on? >> i do not think so. it is a process that happens over time. there are a number of factors to take into account. matt came up and we knew that he was moving in that direction. >> you are in the white house. .ou're a political junk