you are correct though, matt sallinger from "revenge of the nerds," jd sallinger's son. >> how is that possible? >> and by the way, i knew that. i knew that. i didn't expect that to come up. but it was in my head. why do i have it in my head? who did he play, ogre? >> i didn't get that. >> ogre -- were they estranged? do they know each other? i have so many questions. >> that is unbelievable. >> i'm pretty sure he was ogre. >> no wonder if you are in seclusion all those years if your son is ogre. >> anna, i think it was you because i was busy looking up things about matt sallinger, did you say rom thee didn't know the kid's sexual preference? >> he may not have known. >> i tend to agree with you, but they called jason horowitz and they asked him, how do you -- why do you think that romney may have known this? he said, quote, several students recall that the kid seemed a feminate. and he said, you know, we all thought he was gay. >> they didn't know. >> just because you think someone is gay doesn't make them gay. trust me. >> just keep bill on screen. >> have i a theory. i have a theory