matt taibbi a witness and dare i say law professor for mr. goldman today.att, you mentioned something interesting in the hearing which was fascinating to watch. now, the fact that free speech used to be just something we agreed upon as an american ideal, but that's out the window. can you explain that? >> i can't explain it. i mean, i grew up a traditional kind of liberal. i donated to the aclu my whole life. and i got most of my ideas about speech from democrats, supreme like frank church and paul well stone and russ feingold. and there is no element of that left in the democratic party. in fact, today was kind of an epiphany for me. i have kind of given up trying to convince people in this party to care about this issue. they just do not anymore. it's not a value that they treasure at all. >> laura: congressman, to this point and i also wanted to get your reaction to something else that dan goldman said when the hunter biden laptop issue came up. check this out. >> you have no idea. you know hard drives can be manipulated. >> are you suggesting the "new y

i knew matt taibbi from the "rolling stone" and some of the stuff that he did he jumped off of the russian ruse quickly, he had a bed of morpheus, he cannot be seen from his party that he grew up as a liberal, this is what he said to laura this week. >> i grew up a traditional liberal i donated to the aclu my whole life and i got most of my ideas about speech from democrats. there is no element of that left of the democratic party. today was an epiphany i have given up trying to convince people in the party to care about the issue they do not and more. >> the irs knocked on the door and giving the testimony a year ago. >> it is a testament to how chilling this desire is you mention the posters they should take away that any honesty at all. they should give them to the new york post which was suppressed as an extent i think miranda devine and the entire crew if there was truth, honesty and journalism they would give all the words back to the post. >> i will give it to them they took complicated situations and i understand very wise, matt taibbi and michael shellenberger in another story thi

(music ends) ♪ >> explosive testimony on capitol hill over government censorship, matt taibbi and michaelrger telling lawmakers how the biden administration applied pressure to shut down free speech. >> the scope, power and law breaking of the censorship industrial complex are worse than we had realized. this is not a partisan issue at all, despite the fact it has been repeatedly described as right-wing conspiracy, we found suppression on both sides. >> democrats were not concerned about government pushing censorship. >> the government can -- >> time of the gentleman expired, chair recognizes -- >> 35% of the first amendment? >> it is not the first amendment, terms of service and they are flagging it for social media companies to make their own decisions, that is not the first amendment, that is terms of service. >> congressman dan goldman was not done there. he claims the hunter biden laptop is not real. >> you have no idea, you know hard drives can be manipulated. >> are you saying "new york post" committed conspiracy -- >> hard drives can be manipulated by russia or rudy giuliani. >> y

we will have matt taibbi on the show a little later.acrificing free speech because what happened. look what happens is the great depression, we cannot just move on. pete: still at guantanamo bay waiting his military tribunal since 2002, i'm just telling you wait until the international. rachel: we don't need any international anything we need red-blooded americans to look at this. there's another form of justice but he's not out. pete: he's not but give it time. rachel: maria bartiromo had senator johnson on a couple of weeks ago and he said he wants us to look back at the way they were wargaming the international organizations, wargaming a pandemic and it was covid-19. he said we need to look at this and see if there was an intention around all of this. we will not know until we have the tribunals. pete: carlos hermanus will be on the show and will bring this up with him at that time. pete: if you have the misfortune of opening the new york times you may have encountered a column in op-ed written by lydia paul green, here's the headlin

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so under reported twitter files when elon musk allowed people like bari weiss, shellenberger and matt taibbiafter blindsided that democrats are in total denial about this. they were more prepared this time for some of disbelievers. so they came out and talked about what was exposed. the fact that the fbi, the white house, and homeland security was working with social media companies to make sure certain things were not trending like anything positive about trump or anything negative about the vaccine. here is a little of some of the challenging moments that democrats had who are clearly overmatched against taibbi, shellenberger, when they spoke about what they discovered. watch. >> you have no idea. you know hard drives can be manipulated. >> are you suggesting the "new york post" participated in a conspiracy to construct the contents of the hunter biden laptop? >> no, sir. the problem is that hard drives could be manipulated by rudy giuliani or russia. >> what's the evidence that that happens? >> well, there is actual evidence of it. but the point is it's not. >> you so you are engaging in

now, while democrats slammedosed hearing as a political stunt, journalist matt taibbi and michael shellenbergen,r tols the committee that as there's actually a group out thereyber as the cyber threat threyligence league, they sa it actually partnered with government agencies likwite the fbi to censor u.s. citizens. according to whistleblowerons tt documents that included allegations that the group made up fake personas gro and even ud burner phones as a way to counter certain voices on social media. journalists also tangled with democratic lawmakers overne just how big tech handled the infamous hunter biden laptop story. >> are you suggesting? the new york post participated in a conspiracy to construct the contentsd panspiracy of thee biden laptop. no, sir. the problem is that hard drives can be manipulated problem i byy giuliani for russia. >> rudy giuliani known for manipulating hard drives, apparently. of course, that is contrarytestm to testimony from an fbi official who stated that the bureau knew, the hunter biden laptop was authentic,g wih along with belated admission from several mainst

tt journalist matt taibbi and michael shellenberger telling lawmakers how the bident administration applied pressure to shut down dow free speech. i >> i regret to inform the subcommittee today that the scope of power and lawbreaking of the censorship industrial complex are even worse than we had realized. we both talked about how thisdet isn't a partisan issue at all, despite the fact that it's beetl repeatedly described as a right-wing conspiracy. ony descd as a evidence of suppn and movements on both side bs. but the democrats were not concerned about government pushing censorship pushing. >> the first amendment say the government can censor time thn they're not securing their flagging in the social media companies under the only version 35% of a first amendment or share. dment -- iit's not the first am. it's the terms of service, as you said, and their flagging it for the social media companies to make their own decisions. eir own decisithat is not the ft amendment. >> that is the terms of service. . but congressman dan goldman was not done there. gohe now claims the hunter biden laptop