with me to discuss the balance of powers, matt welch, editor and chief of "reason" magazine and author of the declaration of independents. hi, matt. i'm so glad you're here to talk with me about this. >> thanks for having me. congrats on the show. >> thank you. this really is for me like a legitimate challenge, a real concern i have about, how do we think about when the state is legitimately using its coercion, its force, power, and when do we want to push it away from us? i think the example i use it, look, when the klu klux klan is using its freedom to lynch, i want the state to intervene. but if the state is racially profiling in black communities i want the state to give me more liberty. where do we find this balance? >> we've been arguing over this in america since the founding, since after the civil war the 14th amendments and the equal protection clause and all this. this is an interesting moment when you are agreeing with newt gingrich it's going to be temporary, right? >> i don't think this is a longstanding agreement with me and the speaker. >> but there's something to that.