matt whittaker was the acting attorney general. was described as a man installed to "land the mueller probe." he was a known trump ally. he replaced jeff sessions, sired by donald trump on election day. what congressman nadler said just there is that in a meeting today between former acting attorney criminal matt whittaker and adler and his staff, he says he did not stick with his testimony. there was questions about the truth isfulness in congress, and today the questions were realized. unlike in the public hearing, whittaker did not deny that the president called him to discussion the case. he was directly involved in conversations about whether or not to fire one or more u.s. attorneys. whittaker also saying in that meeting that he was involved in conversations about the scope of the southern district of new york's u.s. attorney's recusal. that is the president's appointee, jeff berman, and whether or not the southern district of new york went too far in pursuing the campaign finance case in which the president who we talked abo

ask your doctor about everyday verzenio. >>> jerry nadler says matt whittaker didn't deny talking to sident trump about michael cohen's case. wh whittaker had a closed door meeting yesterday. it sounds like clarity is not what happened here because the top republican on the committee says there is no evidence coming out of this, there is no evidence that whittaker discussed the cohen case with the president. are you confused? i am too. here is what jerry nadler told cnn this morning. >> he did not admit to discussing with anything. when presented with the opportunity when asked by mr. collins at the end of the interview if it was correct that he had not spoken to the president about the cohen case, he said that that had not been his testimony. so presented with a direct opportunity to deny that he spoke to the president he refused to do so. >> joining me right now is democratic congresswoman from pennsylvania. thank you so much for coming in. >> pleased to be with you, kate. >> you sit on the judiciary committee. have you been able to get clarity from leaders if there is day light bet

. >> also this morning and this is key, the chairman of the house judiciary committee said matt whittaker did not deny when he was asked if donald trump called him to discuss michael cohen's case while he was sitting as the attorney general. let's discuss with shan wu and ellie honig. the president is his boss. we also know that whittaker acknowledged he raised concerns then with prosecutors in the southern district of new york about the handling of the cohen case. you are a lawyer. does that look, sound, smell to you like an attempt at obstruction? >> it smells very bad to me. first of all, you have to really get into details of the conversation, but it makes very little sense that he would ask them to revisit the scope of recusal. i have seen some statements where you mention something like you can't revisit a recusal. i don't know what he is talking about. that is an instance where berman says i have a conflict. so what is anyone else doing revisiting that decision? that in and of itself i find to be very eyebrow raising. >> ellie, let's talk about roger stone today and what he should

that hearing with matt whittaker was over the top. the michael cohen hearing was over the top.re and more of this. there will be a point where the american people are going to make the judgment, these people should not be given anymore power because they can't be trusted with doing the job we sent them there to do which is do what's right for the country, not put the party and impeachment of the president first and foremost. >> sean: conservatism works. >> absolutely. >> sean: when we come back, exclusively, steve scalise responds exclusively to congresswoman tlaib's viral remarks. i'm going to make a closing argument tonight about selective moral outrage and our villain of the day. straight ahead. >> sean: the democratic party is now a party of hate and democratic congresswoman tlaib has joined many of her other colleagues injecting herself into the party's ongoing anti-semitism saga "hard to watch representative scalise demand that representative omar be removed from foreign affairs without wondering if it's steeped in islamophobia." react exclusively monica crowley and steve

thought perhaps about pressuring prosecutors here in new york through then acting attorney general matt whittakerere's no indeication here basd upon who we've talked to and reporting here over the past several days that this is due to any pressure anywhere. this is purely a personal decision we're told. he's going to be replaced by somebody who is very qualified, has an extensive history with the justice department, audrey strauss. she was involved in the independent investigation into the iran contra affair. she's someone who is very experienced, taking the place of robert kuzami who is also experienced who has a terrific track record. frankly, this is something that in normal circumstances we wouldn't be talking about. it would be a big deal in the justice department circumstancelcircumstancles, in legal circles. >> right. tom winter, you have our attention. thank you much my friend, appreciate it. >>> let's talk pins, needles and robert mueller and the russia investigation. because that could be dropping, or at least the notification of it at any time. president trump says he doesn't know when

president considered potentially pressuring the then attorney general or acting attorney general, matt whittakery berman unrecused, which is something that, as my colleague and our colleague chuck rosenburg says is something that doesn't happen or pressuring the prosecuting office. we're being strongly told that in no way is this any sort of a pressure or a push out at all. this is not being ordered from the top, this is somebody who, frankly, it's a pressure cooker job and it's tough being away from the family. >> yeah. i think a lot of us know something about pressure cooker jobs. thank you, appreciate that. >>> we're going to be right back with what our sources are saying now actually. guys, first of all, thank you for rocking and rolling with these last 52 minutes of television. both of you are working on pieces of this developing in your reporting. alexi, what you got? >> we were talking about jared kushner earlier, the security clearances and how they were gran granted, the investigation is hardly over. they obtained these documents. my understanding is that the democrats on the committee

i think when matt whittaker said, even though he shouldn't have been talking about it, the mueller reportion, probably saying that on the basis of information he had. the big question is are we going to get to see both the report and underlying evidence. the justice department has been sending out signals to employ a double standard even though it provided 880,000 pages at least of discovery to the congress in the clinton e-mail investigation, it appears to have no intention of employing the same standard and giving the same amount of evidence to a democratic congress. that would be a colossal mistake. the department would be rightly accused of being partial, not impartial. it would certainly frustrate our work in congress. it would mean we have to reinvent the wheel, recreate all the steps mueller has gone through. >> willie geist has a question from new york. >> good to see you, congressman. you said more than two years ago in an interview with chuck todd of msnbc, you believed there was 0 more than circumstantial evidence, you thought the president had colluded with russia in 2016. do