in this sense we can say the division of culture and anarchy that proposed by matthew arnold in light of the kind of state violence brought to bear in the way in which the state brought culture into that war simply doesn't hold. if anything, state culture at least was part a significant part of the state program which is one of violence even anarchy. to conclude, i want to say a couple of pieces of good news. first of all, state culture was never really a deep culture in these places. and there has always existed outside and alongside it a very vibrant popular culture, some of it classical, some of it colloquial. and this is, in fact, what is coming to the fore right now from the protesters marching in the streets of tunisia and egypt. and they are mobilizing old and new forms of expressive culture. i've mentioned the slogans that are being chanted are really poetry. there are bands playing right now in the square as we some. and this is happening all over egypt from what i understand. in other words, there's good reason to think that after -- after this movement, the relationship of

matthew arnold was in 19th century poet and critic who watched as new social classes began to exert themselves and began to reflect on this. this is one of the processes that he was reflecting on. this process was alarming. it was a potential to what it event to the english. for him, culture could be used as a weapon to fight the class war. this was a very stark choice. it is between culture and anarchy. on one hand, order that people had known that england was in the new anarchy pose by new classes of englishmen demanding to be recognized as citizens. in latin america, the same bifurcation and use of culture faces civilization and barbarism. in egypt, it has reared its head in interesting ways. culture is really not the issue of the revolutionary movement we are watching in egypt. culture is much a part of how these movements are unfolding the bill even if the state promotion. unfolding. even if the state promotion is not the specific issue, it does have something to do with what is happening right now. if you have been witching -- watching, you have been listening to poetry. the slogans are